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2017 Auburn Tigers Football Schedule

Date   Opponent Time/TV Tickets
Saturday
Apr. 8
Tigers A-Day Spring Game
Jordan-Hare Stadium, Auburn, AL
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Saturday
Sep. 2
Eagles Georgia Southern Eagles
Jordan-Hare Stadium, Auburn, AL
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Saturday
Sep. 9
Tigers at Clemson Tigers
Memorial Stadium, Clemson, SC
Time TBA
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Saturday
Sep. 16
Bears Mercer Bears
Jordan-Hare Stadium, Auburn, AL
Time TBA
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Saturday
Sep. 23
Tigers at Missouri Tigers
Faurot Field, Columbia, MO
Time TBA
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Saturday
Sep. 30
Bulldogs Mississippi State Bulldogs
Jordan-Hare Stadium, Auburn, AL
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Saturday
Oct. 7
Rebels Ole Miss Rebels
Jordan-Hare Stadium, Auburn, AL
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Saturday
Oct. 14
Tigers at LSU Tigers
Tiger Stadium, Baton Rouge, LA
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Saturday
Oct. 21
Razorbacks at Arkansas Razorbacks
D.W.R. Razorback Stadium, Fayetteville, AR
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Saturday
Oct. 28
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Saturday
Nov. 4
Aggies at Texas A&M Aggies
Kyle Field, College Station, TX
Time TBA
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Saturday
Nov. 11
Bulldogs Georgia Bulldogs
Jordan-Hare Stadium, Auburn, AL
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Saturday
Nov. 18
Warhawks ULM Warhawks
Jordan-Hare Stadium, Auburn, AL
Time TBA
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Saturday
Nov. 25
Crimson Tide Alabama Crimson Tide
Jordan-Hare Stadium, Auburn, AL
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Saturday
Dec. 2
SEC SEC Championship Game
Mercedes-Benz Stadium, Atlanta, GA
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Auburn Headlines

    2017 SEC Football Schedule Announced

    By Kevin Kelley -
    1. gator HATER!
      September 13, 2016 at 10:50 pm

      3 straight SEC West road games for Auburn…@ LSU, @ Arkansas & @Texas A&M. That’s harsh

    2. Gary Fisher
      September 14, 2016 at 9:33 am

      I would guess CBS starts out 2017 in either Atlanta or Arlington but ESPN sure would love both of them

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    1. Donny
      July 9, 2016 at 2:39 pm

      Wow! Big game right here! Looking forward to seeing SEC (West) football putting on a clinic.

    2. Edward Slaten
      July 9, 2016 at 6:08 pm

      It’s great that we’re scheduling two historic universities to our future schedule (Alabama A&M this year, and Alabama State in 2018). Great for our universities. But Alabama just will not follow Auburn’s path. So happy to have these two schools come down to the plains.

    3. Bob Markey II
      July 9, 2016 at 6:09 pm

      Auburn manages to find another FCS program to pay but still can’t quite squeeze 1-A Troy on its schedule. Hmmm. Keep playing every other team in our conference, Tigers, but us.

      • David
        July 10, 2016 at 4:17 pm

        There’s a long agreement that Troy and Auburn don’t play. We cover the same section of the state, and many families have graduates and alliances with both universities. Auburn has played Alabama A&M, Alabama State, Jacksonville State, Samford, and UAB regularly enough… so if someone wants to yammer on, head for rammer bammer and ask them who in-state they’ve been playing and get back to us.

      • Michael Whitfield
        July 13, 2016 at 5:52 pm

        Probably Univ of South Alabama (Mobile) & UAB (2017) would gladly adjust their schedules to play in Jordan Stadium every year of two. I bet they would comply schedule wise with the Univ in Tuscaloosa as well.

      • Shep
        July 14, 2016 at 9:50 am

        @David – that is an absurdly weak argument. That’s like saying Michigan/Michigan State should never play Eastern Michigan because they’re in their backyard, but MSU actually had a “Celebrate the State” 3-for-1 with the MAC schools (that EMU later backed out of, but CMU and WMU followed through).

      • gator HATER!
        August 5, 2016 at 1:34 am

        I’ve heard Troy does not want to play Auburn for many of the reasons David said. A Troy booster once said “the second Troy runs onto Jordan-Hare you hate us”. Troy does not want that. South and UAB are all in, they don’t care.

      • gator HATER!
        August 5, 2016 at 1:42 am

        Michael W. It is Jordan-Hare (pronounced Jerdun-Hare) and the last time the Bloody Tide played an in state school other than Auburn was Samford in the 1940’s……it ain’t gonna happen. The Tide will not share the wealth with in state schools…EVER

    4. Josh
      July 10, 2016 at 9:23 pm

      When I first saw this headline, I read it hastily and read it as “Auburn adds Alabama to 2020 football schedule”, and thought wow, shocker there!

    5. Rich
      July 10, 2016 at 9:40 pm

      The Auburn guy is right. Alabama will not schedule any other teams from within the state, I-A or I-AA.

      • Michael Whitfield
        July 13, 2016 at 5:40 pm

        I agree. It does seem odd that other than the Iron Bowl every year vs Auburn, the Tide does not play any other Div 1 or FCS school in the state. Don’t know about the Tide scheduling the Trojans of Troy Univ, but seems like a natural rival would be the sister school in Birmingham (UAB) currently in hiatus from football until 2017. The Blazers could use the huge revenue & the Tide would get a probable victory every year.

      • gator HATER!
        August 5, 2016 at 1:30 am

        If Auburn was not in the SEC the “We are better than everyone” Bloody Tide wouldn’t play them

      • gator HATER!
        August 5, 2016 at 1:50 am

        Mike how much do you know about Alabama? They are not a team player. Hell they count a national title in a season they lost to Vanderbilt and Mississippi State. They finished 19th in the AP (1941). Once again they lost to VANDERBILT and claim the National Title!!!!! This is not normal

    6. chipmunk
      July 22, 2016 at 9:46 am

      Which one of these teams were helping Alabama build their history back in the 20,s 30,s and 40,s. Why is it up to Alabama to support these teams and try and raise their status. Alabama needs only to keep their national profile up and this is not done by being a free handout for other schools in the state. After building Auburn up over the years all they every get is Auburn people trying to tear Alabama down.

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    1. Phil B.
      July 7, 2016 at 11:00 am

      This used to be a really good series in the 80’s. Better than ULM which seems to be Auburn’s permanent OOC game.

    2. Tom B
      July 7, 2016 at 2:35 pm

      When are they going to schedule South Alabama?

      • reel butt
        July 9, 2016 at 7:48 am

        hopefully never we already own them in baseball why humiliate them further i can see it now aubun vs south alabama in football 2020 42-6 auburn over south Alabama the final. next day south Alabama shuts down its football program with this statement “we hardly ever beat them in baseball. now we know we can’t beat them in football if we played auburn 8 straight times auburn would blow us out in all 8 meetings”

        WAR DAMN EAGL

    3. winston
      July 9, 2016 at 8:08 am

      Own them in Baseball? have you even watched any of the meetings we’ve had with them in baseball? yes we’ve beaten them here and there. but they’ve also had their fair share of wins against us. think before yo speak bud and what does beating them in baseball have to do with football? that’s just like saying we beat alabama in basketball so we should beat them in football. completely different sports.

      • gator HATER!
        August 5, 2016 at 1:23 am

        i would like for Auburn to play
        USA. Better than ULM or any FCS team. Do a 5 game deal with 1 game in Mobile and 4 in Auburn. Do the same with UAB. As for Troy….NEVER

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    1. Shep
      June 27, 2016 at 4:20 pm

      More series like this please

    2. Day
      June 27, 2016 at 6:25 pm

      Great match-up!

    3. Travis B
      June 27, 2016 at 10:01 pm

      Good series!

    4. gator HATER!
      June 28, 2016 at 2:06 am

      Very nice…It will be great to see Auburn run into Beaver Stadium and Penn State into Jordan-Hare. Not the same seeing college teams at Cowboys Stadium or the Georgia Dome.

    5. bwburke94
      June 28, 2016 at 3:31 pm

      “The Bulls defeated Penn State 10-0 in 1900, before falling to the Nittany Lions in 2017 and 2015.”

      Time traveler alert!

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    1. lost in Va.
      May 27, 2016 at 2:22 pm

      Good for Auburn, keeping the $$ in state….I hope ‘Bama State gets at least $500K..

    2. Rich
      May 27, 2016 at 4:39 pm

      Shame the folks over in Tuscal refuse to play the instate FCS schools.

    3. Ryan
      May 27, 2016 at 5:01 pm

      Yet another late season FCS cupcake for the SEC to chow down on while teams from other conferences are playing tough conference opponents and risking a late season loss that could end their play off hunt. SEC OOC scheduling is a joke and has been for decades. Grow a pair and schedule 10 Power 5 teams a year like the Big Ten does.

      • Eric
        May 27, 2016 at 6:09 pm

        Lets not act as if the Big 10 doesn’t play FCS schools still (currently 8 FCS games on tap for Big 10 teams). The SEC does need to stop the FCS scheduling a little bit though as they have 14 games on tap with 14 games against Power 5 schools (I personally don’t count BYU which has a game against an SEC school). Big 10 on the other hand only has 10 games against Power 5 teams (possibly 11 depends on how you view BYU) so the scheduling seems about equal.

      • Lost in Va.
        May 27, 2016 at 7:42 pm

        …yeah, Big10 teams play the Idaho’s and Georgia State’s of the world, don’t want to take a chance with N. Dakota St., Montana, Jax. St, et al…

      • Cobra
        May 28, 2016 at 10:42 am

        Tell us how great your team and conference does in scheduling their games.

      • Joe
        May 29, 2016 at 4:38 pm

        See, they need these late season games. Teams in the SEC don’t have the luxury of scheduling in-conference teams like Kansas, Indiana, Colorado, Maryland, Wake Forest, Rutgers, or Iowa State in November… Every SEC game is tough… It’s just not that way in the other conferences where one or two teams dominate year in and year out… The SEC is wide open…

      • Eric
        May 30, 2016 at 4:28 am

        Joe,

        I wouldn’t go that far and say every game in the SEC is tough. I’m sorry I don’t see Vanderbilt or Kentucky going on the road every 4 years (idr the exact cycle schedule but you get my point) and taking #1 Alabama into the 4th quarter. Not to mention of their 8 conference games 5 were decided by double digits and you can make it 6 counting the SEC title game.

        You’ll use an example like Florida as the key to your argument. But Florida has been horrible (and that’s being polite) on offense since Urban Meyer left.

        I’ll agree the SEC is probably better than the Big 10, but it isn’t as wide of a gap as it was back in 2006 or 2007. If the SEC is so good, why doesn’t Alabama make the road trip to Ohio State? or why doesn’t Auburn schedule a home and home with Iowa? Florida hasn’t left the state of Florida for a non conference game since like 1992 (this does exclude bowl games). The only team that seems willing to accept the challenges of a tough OOC schedule is Tennessee but they have had mixed results (series with Cal, Oregon, and Oklahoma come to mind).

        Finally when was the last season Florida, Alabama, Auburn, LSU didn’t win the SEC? I mean the conference seems to be top heavy in most years. Sure Ole Miss and Mississippi State have had a couple decent/good years (sorry dropping your last 3-5 games is what would make a great season decent).

      • David
        May 30, 2016 at 1:27 pm

        Auburn just played a game on the road in Manhattan, KS. And Clemson, SC among other recent games… and is going to Berkeley to play Cal. Your nonsense is just that. Auburn has one of the toughest SEC regular schedules, because their locked team cross division is Georgia. Not Kentucky, not Vanderbilt.

      • Joe
        May 30, 2016 at 2:26 pm

        Florida not leaving the state is part of the reason why the SEC is the best… You can’t punish Florida because they play in a state with other Power 5 teams that aren’t in their conference.

        Big Ten powers like Wisconsin, Ohio State, Nebraska, and Michigan don’t have to deal with the level of competition that Florida has to deal with.

        Imagine if Florida did’t have to worry about Miami and FSU. There isn’t a Big Ten scenario that is even close… and Florida does well enough…

        And let’s talk top heavy… Since 1998, SIX different SEC schools have won national titles.

        In that time, ONE Big Ten School has won a national title. In fact, you can go back to the 30s and still have only four different Big Ten teams winning national titles. The SEC has been very wide open. The Big Ten is a two school conference: Michigan and Ohio State. But, the SEC, has Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, Auburn,and LSU that have won NATIONAL titles in the last 40 years. Then you have a group featuring Missouri, South Carolina, Texas A&M, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Mississippi State, which find a way to be in the mix at the end of most seasons.

        The SEC is anything but top heavy compared to the Big Two.

      • Day
        May 30, 2016 at 3:28 pm

        Everyone forgets that Florida is one of the top 3 states in recruiting, battling with FSU & The U, plus USF & UCF. Florida does not have to leave the state to get recruits but that is fine, complain about the Gators not leaving the state since 92″. The Gators just pluck 5 stars recruits out of the air in Florida, which my state could do that.

      • Eric
        May 31, 2016 at 4:42 am

        Joe,
        Please tell me what school I’m missing in the SEC that’s won a national title since 1998 because you need to make sure your facts are accurate. Not saying they aren’t I just can’t think of that sixth school.

        Tennessee if I remember correctly won it in 1998 (or 1999 forget what year).
        Florida has had a couple.
        Then obviously Alabama and Auburn.
        The last SEC school I know of that’s won a National Title is LSU.

        There are a couple years that you could make an argument Georgia should have possibly played for the National Title.

        Tackling your argument about Florida playing in a state with power teams is true but it’s also pretty one sided for most of the 2000s Miami hasn’t been the Miami of the 1990s. Sorry giving the excuse that they won the National Title in 2000 and that justifies Florida playing them in 2019 doesn’t make any sense. Same goes for Florida State.
        The power schools in Florida are not all the “power schools” like they were in the 1990s. Sorry when a school continues to stumble like Miami does to 5-7, 6-6, 7-5 records. They aren’t the same type of power as they were.

        The fact that you are trying to claim that Mississippi State and Ole Miss are in the same level every year as an Alabama is laughable. Congrats to the Mississippi schools for having two or possibly three years of good football. You honestly can’t add Texas A&M and Missouri to the crop of the SEC because they’ve only been in it. You’re trying to claim that the 1847 National Title Texas A&M won in football should belong to the SEC. (hopefully you hear my sarcasm).

        Whether you like to admit it or not the SEC is top heavy every year you have the same schools (Alabama, LSU), and a fluke school that comes out of one side (Mississippi State, Missouri).

        And here’s a trivia question for you if the SEC is so wide open and such a balanced league when was the last time Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Mississippi State, Mississippi, South Carolina played for the SEC title? Hell we’ll add Texas A&M and Arkansas in that too.

      • Eric
        May 31, 2016 at 5:05 am

        David,

        First off Auburn is without a doubt the most annoying team to watch, they are either really good and playing for a national title (2013) or they suck (2015). So lets not act like they are as good as Alabama and they have just as much recruiting talent as Alabama gets.

        Having said that

        You do bring up valid points about Auburn having a neutral site game with Oregon in 2019 (Auburn currently trying to get out of that game) as well as a home and home with Cal (trying to push that road game into 2100). As far as your argument about past opponents. Since 2002 Auburn as played 19 FCS games as opposed to 9 Power 5 games. They’ve had one double digit win over a power 5 team since 2002 in a non conference game, and that only happened on a late pick 6, funny thing is multiple double digit losses to Power 5 programs though.

        Yet, Auburn fans complain when they get Jacksonville State in town and need OT to win that they get dropped in the polls.

        Look I grew up in the South, I understand the SEC biases when it comes to the polls, and for the most part I agree with it. But lets not act like in the SEC you have Kentucky going on the road and taking out Alabama on a weekly basis, or that Auburn and Georgia are playing triple OT games every year that comes down to a pass deflection in the endzone. Or that every SEC game is an instant classic. Most SEC fans feel that the crappiest SEC team, would win every other conference, and unfortunately that’s not the case. My argument is prove your the best Stanford tried getting a home and home with both Auburn and Alabama and they said no, Stanford then said fine we’ll come play at your place one game deal both schools said no.

        I guess when Auburn barely survives in OT against an FCS school, and gives up 34 points to Idaho I can see why they wouldn’t want Stanford in their building.

        Oh and last thing I guess that 3-9 Arkansas team in 2013 was a great team right? Oh wait I forgot that 2-10 Kentucky team, manhandled 2 top teams in the country right? or in Tennessee’s case that 5-7 mark means they should have played Auburn in the National title.

      • Joe
        May 31, 2016 at 10:02 am

        Eric,

        Can you read?

        You said:

        “Please tell me what school I’m missing in the SEC that’s won a national title since 1998 because you need to make sure your facts are accurate. Not saying they aren’t I just can’t think of that sixth school.

        Tennessee if I remember correctly won it in 1998 (or 1999 forget what year).
        Florida has had a couple.
        Then obviously Alabama and Auburn.
        The last SEC school I know of that’s won a National Title is LSU.”

        But I had clearly state the following in the comment you replied to:
        “But, the SEC, has Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, Auburn,and LSU that have won NATIONAL titles in the last 40 years.”

        Georgia won the title in 1980. Again, in response to the comment that the SEC is top heavy, the point was the SEC has had more teams win the national title in that time than the Big Ten has… In fact in the last forty years, the SEC has had more teams win than the Big Ten has in the last 70.

        Then you said:
        “The fact that you are trying to claim that Mississippi State and Ole Miss are in the same level every year as an Alabama is laughable. Congrats to the Mississippi schools for having two or possibly three years of good football. You honestly can’t add Texas A&M and Missouri to the crop of the SEC because they’ve only been in it. You’re trying to claim that the 1847 National Title Texas A&M won in football should belong to the SEC. (hopefully you hear my sarcasm).”

        But I didn’t say that at all. I clearly put them a notch below Alabama when I said:

        “But, the SEC, has Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, Auburn,and LSU that have won NATIONAL titles in the last 40 years. Then you have a group featuring Missouri, South Carolina, Texas A&M, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Mississippi State, which find a way to be in the mix at the end of most seasons.”

        So, look, I get it. The facts are difficult to argue against. That doesn’t mean you make up things to argue against. That just makes you look silly.

      • Eric
        May 31, 2016 at 8:16 pm

        Joe,

        I was being nice but now I’m going to put you in your place because you clearly can’t read here is your comment

        “Joe

        May 30, 2016 at 2:26 pm

        Florida not leaving the state is part of the reason why the SEC is the best… You can’t punish Florida because they play in a state with other Power 5 teams that aren’t in their conference.

        Big Ten powers like Wisconsin, Ohio State, Nebraska, and Michigan don’t have to deal with the level of competition that Florida has to deal with.

        Imagine if Florida did’t have to worry about Miami and FSU. There isn’t a Big Ten scenario that is even close… and Florida does well enough…

        And let’s talk top heavy… Since 1998, SIX different SEC schools have won national titles.”

        Notice what you say “Since 1998, SIX different SEC schools have won national titles.: That’s not me saying it that’s you saying it.

        So then I come back and say what schools I know have won National Titles

        Tennessee, Florida, Auburn, Alabama and LSU. Now I know you can’t count but that seems to be 5 (Tennessee would be #1, Florida would be #2, Auburn #3, Alabama #4 and LSU #5.) So once again if I am missing school, please correct me. Otherwise don’t post statements that aren’t true. I understand people South have this opinion that when they play any game no matter how bad a game it is. That somehow because it’s the SEC that makes it a good game. Honestly some of worst football I’ve ever seen has come from the SEC (lets look at Auburn-Mississippi State, final score 3-2, they had 9 turnovers combined). Or hb the “The Game of Century” #1 LSU vs #2 Alabama game OT (yet there was 5 or 6 missed field goals in that game, HORRIBLE GAME TO BE AT). Yet you are probably the type person that thinks a 2-0 in the SEC is the greatest thing ever (and yes you can have a 2-0 game in football, I know that might be hard for you to figure out).

        So contrary to your belief I didn’t misquote you (notice how I even copied the time you posted it) you tried and failed miserably to argue the backend of your statement, while wanting to ignore the front part of your statement. Please learn how to read :)

      • Joe
        June 1, 2016 at 7:38 pm

        Oh, I see the problem. You are quoting where I misspoke and not the entirety of the comment. I see. Yes, only five SEC teams have won SINCE 1998… That’s still four more than the Big Ten, but the way, in that same time frame.

        So, once again, I am still right. Because I did go on in the same comment to correct myself.

        But I don’t blame you for focusing on that. It’s all you have. You cant argue the actual point which is that the Big Ten is far more ‘top heavy’ than the SEC. Far more. So, sure, focus on the faulty math in the first paragraph while ignoring it was corrected later in the same post. That’s all you have in this debate because the facts clearly aren’t on your side.

        See… you’re not in the ladies room at Target anymore, champ. Try to keep up.

      • Jeff
        June 2, 2016 at 10:26 am

        Eric,

        The only logic Joe understands is Joe’s right, everyone else is wrong. No point in arguing with someone like Joe.

      • Eric
        June 2, 2016 at 3:29 pm

        Joe,
        lol you are still wrong but it’s okay notice how it took you a couple days to come up with some lame ass accuse. I’m not going to keep sitting here and arguing with you, because you probably believe that if Kentucky went to the Big 10, they would beat Ohio State 70-0. (Notice how I said the word probably that means I’m not saying you said it, just that in your mind you believe the worst SEC team is better than ever other team country, also you probably believe that when the polls come out every year it should be 1-14 SEC teams then 15-25 can be whoever, and if you Auburn go to OT against an FCS school, or Ole Miss lose to FCS school (ala Jacksonville State) then they should move up in rankings, once again I stress I used the word probably).

        You do realize that when you have two separate points that doesn’t mean you corrected yourself right? Look I never said the SEC is bad conference, I think SEC fans are inflated with conferences, and just as you did including Missouri and Texas A&M into the SEC accomplishments although neither one of them was in conference in the 1980s but we still have to consider their achievements for the SEC.

        Okay so doing that lets go back to the 1980 and work our way from there.
        You’ve had 6 SEC schools win National Championships. Yet you’ve had 4 Big 10 teams win national championships, (Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska (once again you want to include Missouri and Texas A&M achievements) and Penn State.

        Look I understand you have this opinion that the SEC is clearly the greatest conference in the world. I would disagree for the same point that I continue to argue. Kentucky and Vanderbilt are not going to Alabama and LSU and not even competing in those games. Look when the SEC stops losing to FCS schools (Florida, Ole Miss) and stops struggling to FCS schools (ala Auburn) then maybe they can claim their top conference status again. See what you’ll do is you’ll argue a W is W when a valid point is brought up (oh wait never mind you just won’t answer).

        Such as if the SEC is dominant and specifically Alabama then why did Alabama get spanked by Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl a few ago, got beat by 2 touchdowns in the Sugar bowl to Utah (2008) who was a MW school at the time, and why did Ohio State dominate Alabama in route to a National title two years ago? and if memory serves me right Clemson gave Alabama all it could handle so why did Alabama struggle in all instances if they are sooooooo much better than all of these other teams? And that is just talking about bowl games.

        Now we’ll here excuses by you as to how those were flukes or something blah blah blah. I can tell you this much Nick Saban won’t dare to a home and home with Jim Harbaugh. Saban would be scared of losing by 3 touchdowns. It’d be a route like Stanford over USC was a few years ago.

      • Eric
        June 2, 2016 at 3:40 pm

        Joe,

        One more thing before I forget I never said the Big 10 wasn’t top heavy. As a matter fact I even agreed in the initial debate the SEC is probably a better conference than the Big 10. My main point was that the SEC isn’t as good as you are trying to claim them to be. Unlike SEC where you rarely have the middle upset the top. In the Big 10 it does happen from time to time.

        Also going back to 1998. The Big 10 has had more teams ranked in not only the top 25 but in the top 10 compared to SEC and it’s by a mile. So explain that one? I understand it’s hard for the SEC to justify their standings when their top team (Alabama) loses to likes of Hawaii, ULL, and then you have other members losing to FCS schools (Florida to Georgia Southern, Ole Miss to Jacksonville State, Mississippi State to Maine, Kentucky several losses to FCS schools in that time, same with Vanderbilt). Yet the only real blemish on the Big 10s resume in that regard to FCS schools is Michigan’s loss to Appalachian State.

        So explain this one to me, because you have said that the SEC is kinda like in tiers you have tier 1 (Alabama) tier 2 (LSU, Auburn, Florida, Georgia) tier 3 (Mississippi, Mississippi State, Arkansas, Missouri) tier 4 (South Carolina,Texas A&M, Tennessee) and finally tier 5 (Vanderbilt, Kentucky). Obviously the teams could be moved around I’m just giving you a sense of how your tier system would work. Tell me since the SEC is so balanced how is Alabama clear and above everyone else? I mean you got mad when I brought up Ole Miss a middle tier SEC program competing with Alabama. Yet you claim the conference isn’t top heavy so which is it?

      • Eric
        June 2, 2016 at 5:40 pm

        Joe,
        Last thing I wanted to bring to your attention, since the SEC is so mighty can you explain to me why Alabama is the only SEC team that ranks in the top 10 all time in wins? Yet the Big 10 has a whopping 4 members in the top 10 with Michigan leading the way.

        I guess that means the SEC is still the most dominate right?

      • Day
        June 2, 2016 at 6:47 pm

        Well, to Alabama defense, Michigan has 63 more games on them, Nebraska has 66, Penn St has 53, not making excuses, they have played more games. I remember when Yale was the all time winningest program but I guess they took them out for not being FBS. Now Michigan is the lone wolf on top, will be awhile before anyone catches up with them. This site should do an article on history of wins & bowls, I know Bama leads the way with most bowl wins.

      • Joe
        June 2, 2016 at 7:42 pm

        “The only logic Joe understands is Joe’s right, everyone else is wrong”

        Well, when it’s true…

        As for Eric… It’s funny that it took you three consecutive posts to actually reply to my one. That doesn’t necessarily mean you are crazy, but…

        I don’t think Kentucky would beat Ohio State if Kentucky moved to the Big Ten… however, if Ohio State moved to the SEC, Kentucky would beat them on occasion. Far more than the competition Ohio State gets from teams like Indiana (which hasn’t beaten Ohio State since 1991), Minnesota (which hasn’t beaten Ohio State since 2001), Iowa or Northwestern (both of which haven’t beaten Ohio State since 2005), Even Big Ten powers Michigan and Wisconsin have only combined for two wins over the Buckeyes since 2005. That’s how top heavy the Big Ten is these days. I should just be called Ohio State and the 11 red-headed step children.

        I’m just glad voters and computers see through the obvious lack of competition in the Big Ten and keep them out of the national title picture as much as possible.

        So yeah, if Ohio State had to face a conference schedule that included Florida, Georgia, Auburn, Arkansas, South Carolina and Missouri, sure, they’d end up losing to Kentucky.

        While I did mention Texas A&M and Missouri in my post, I didn’t ‘claim their accomplishments… So, Nebraska’s national titles prior to joining the Big Ten don’t count. Neither do Penn State’s. Nice try though, cupcake.

        So, since 1980, the SEC has had six schools win titles, while only two Big Ten teams have claimed titles. Again, the Big Ten is far more top heavy than the SEC, which by comparison is wide open.

        And for all of this talk about the SEC struggling against the FCS, in the last 12 years, the SEC has played 123 games vs. FCS schools, losing three. It’s Important to note that the Big Ten has lost six games to FCS opponents over the same span.

        SIX.

        But it’s really even worse. The Big Ten has lost 30 games to the MAC since the year 2000. THIRTY.

        As for why some SEC teams struggle in bowl games, there are many reasons. Playing for something less than the national title usually causes some teams to underperform. However, in most years the SEC dominates bowl season. You can find examples where that’s not true, but you’re looking at trees instead of the forest. Year in and year out, the SEC dominates bowl season…

        I notice you didn’t mention last year… But then again, those pesky facts don’t help your argument.

        And going back to 1998, the SEC has dominated at the end of the season, winning ten national titles to only five for everyone else. Nobody cares where you are ranked in October… It only matters in January and the SEC wins there, too.

        As for the SEC not ranking in the top in terms of wins, again, when you play tougher competition, you lose more games. Plus, as Day points out, Ohio State and Michigan have played more games, so more opportunities to win games.

        But Sporting News did a little experiment where they ranked teams since the year 2000… five of the top 12 were SEC teams. Advantage, SEC again.

        Keep trying, hater. You’ll keep looking like you don’t know what you’re talking about.

      • Eric
        June 3, 2016 at 2:20 am

        Joe,

        Alright cupcake, since you gotta stoop to the name calling this will be my final post. Because you think the SEC is the greatest conference in the history of college football and a 1-11 Kentucky team should be ranked no later than 14th with 13 SEC schools ahead of them (funny I know right, but it’s the logic of SEC fans that I find funny).

        You do a very good job at presenting the facts that back your statement as opposed to presenting the entire truth. Which would clearly disprove your logic as the SEC as the clear #1 conference in the country. Northwestern and Iowa haven’t beaten Ohio State since 2005 yes, but how many times have they played them since? maybe 6 times total in 11 years.

        Yet go look at the SEC West and Alabama, when was the last time Mississippi State who plays Alabama on a regular basis beat them (here’s the answer 2007)? or hb Arkansas (last win 2006)? the only two teams that seem to have consistent winning streaks against Alabama is Ole Miss (current streak at 2) and ….. Auburn (2011, and 2013 prior to that 2007)? nah LSU (2011)? nah. So only Ole Miss currently holds a winning streak against Bama, and prior to 2014 when was Ole Miss’s last victory against Bama (2003)? Moving on to the cross over game when was Tennessee’s last victory over Alabama (2006)? Second game rotates, and it will be pointless to keep proving you wrong.

        Notice what I did here I used teams Alabama plays on a regular basis, I didn’t pick the ones that would naturally fit my logic to make me seem like I know what I’m talking about.

        Now this will be my final response to you, please just accept the fact that the SEC is not as mighty as you think. You try to say they are and then back track and pick and choose facts that you want to use. Clearly you feel you can exaggerate your facts.
        I will end this statement with a check and mate.

        Point and victory goes to Eric.

      • Jeff
        June 3, 2016 at 10:52 am

        Eric,

        If your goal is get Joe to concede that at least a few of your arguments have merit, your going to have about as much luck as you would have trying to convince your dog not to eat chocolate. While you can make a perfectly logical argument that chocolate could potentially kill the dog, all the dog knows is that chocolate is food and the dog likes food. All Joe lives for is SEC football and this blog. When someone tells him that his precious SEC just might not be all that it is cracked up to be, he has a tough time hearing it because he doesn’t know anything but SEC football. Just look around this blog. Joe comments on nearly every article and in just about every post, blindly supports the SEC, refuses to hear logic against the SEC and insults the intelligence of anyone who would dare speak negatively towards the SEC. He needs this blog to convince himself that he is right and that his opinion matters.

        In regards to the actual argument itself, I think both of your sides have valid points, it is just a shame that only Eric has the ability to be reasonable. I think all that Eric was trying to say initially was that it is frustrating to see the SEC get credit for being so balanced top to bottom when it is truly hard to know how good they are considering their lack of strength of schedule out of conference. Most SEC teams do in fact enter their conference schedule with either a 4-0 or 3-1 record, which does make it appear as if the SEC is really tough. What Eric is saying is how tough do we truly know that 4-0 team is when their non-conference schedule was against South Alabama, UMass, BYU and Samford. An example of what I think Eric is trying to say is that if Minnesota and South Carolina start the season 7-0, Minnesota would be ranked around 15th and South Carolina would be ranked around 4th. That is the SEC bias that is maddening to those who live outside of SEC country. The teams schedules would be Vanderbilt, Miss. St, East Carolina, Kentucky, A&M, Georgia, UMass vs. Ore. St, Ind. St, Col. St, Penn St, Iowa, Maryland, Rutgers (both equally bad), yet the SEC team would get a bump based only on the conference they are in. If this scenario were to actually play out, both teams should actually be ranked anywhere between 10th-15th.

        In regards to Joe’s argument of the Big Ten being top heavy, I would tend to agree. I am an Ohio State fan and to me, last season was extremely boring. It felt like OSU had a 10 week preseason before finally playing some actual competition against MSU and UM. On a year in and year out basis, I would say the Big Ten only puts out 7-8 teams that have the ability to be competitive week in and week out, of which 2-3 have the ability to challenge for a national title. I think the SEC has the same 2-3 teams that can challenge for a title, but have 9-10 teams that can put up a challenge on a week-to-week basis (not all 14 teams like the SEC will lead you to believe). That said, it is downright pathetic that the last three SEC East champions have either been Missouri (beaten by B10 bottom dweller Indiana) or Florida (couldn’t move the ball against Florida Atlantic).

        While Joe does make a few valid points, his points don’t discredit Eric’s argument and were made with total arrogance and disregard for logic outside Joe’s own point of view.

      • Joe
        June 3, 2016 at 5:29 pm

        Again, I never said Kentucky should never be ranked lower than 14, you said that. And you keep saying like I said it. I get that you can’t argue the points I have made, but tht doesn’t mean you should start making up things to argue against.

        Again, the comment about nobody really beating Ohio State is true. You ignore that part of it in your blind attempt to prove me wrong. So, Iowa has only played Ohio State five times since they last beat them. Okay. I’m still right and you’re still wrong.

        Are you happy now?

        You point out Alabama’s success against the SEC West. Okay, the fact still remains that Alabama loses more to in-conference teams than Ohio State does. But, again, that was my argument wasn’t it? Alabama plays a tougher conference schedule than Ohio State. So, I’m still right and you’re still wrong again.

        Not only is the SEC as good as I have said they are, they may be even better.

        As for your check and mate, whatever that is supposed to mean, about Eric getting some sort of victory… I’ll just say this, what you two do in the ladies room at Target is none of my business.

        As for Jeff’s comment that all I live for is SEC football and this blog… well, you forgot your mom. I live for her too. Or maybe she for me.

        Look around, I don’t post on nearly as many articles as Eric thinks I do. But Eric isn’t exactly the brightest kid on the Internet, either.

        What all SEC haters like Eric fail to understand is that each team is different. There are some schools that are considered Power 5 schools that aren’t any good and others that are. Indiana and Ohio State, both Power 5 schools, are not even close to competitive. So, to give Ohio State credit for playing Indiana because they are a Power 5 school and is absurd.

        The fact is every school plays games they should win. The Big Ten gets those games in conference. Ohio State is hardly challenged by the other schools in their conference. And in a good year, Michigan joins them. But that’s it.

        That’s simply not the case in the SEC where there are six to eight teams in a given year that are capable of winning the league and a national title. If you go back to 2010, just in the final AP Top 5 rankings for the season, the SEC has seven different teams in the final Top 5. The Big Ten? Two.

        The SEC is just a harder conference to win, but you guys all act like winning the SEC is just like winning the Big 12. Or Pac 12. Or ACC. It’s not. It’s much harder. Much, much harder.

        As for Jeff’s claim the SEC enters conference play at 3-1, what SEC team plays all four non-conference games at the start of the season? The SEC has seldom if ever scheduled like that. So, that fact alone tells me you are already working from a flawed perspective.

        The fact is Michigan playing Hawaii, Central Florida, and Colorado is no tougher than Kentucky scheduling Southern Miss, New Mexico State, and Austin Peay. Each team has scheduled teams they SHOULD beat.

        So, you have no idea how tough Kentucky is but, somehow, it’s all clear on Michigan? You’re not even making sense. Both teams should be 3-0 after those games. (In fairness, Kentucky plays conference games in between those games, so they won’t be 3-0.)

        If Minnesota and South Carolina both start 7-0 this year, South Carolina would have beaten Mississippi State, Georgia, and Texas A&M, all schools, two of which are ranked in the early preseason polls. Minnesota on the other hand would have beaten only one team ranked in the early Top 25. Plus, South Carolina would have played five conference games at that point to only four for Minnesota, so South Carolina should be ranked ahead of Minnesota at that point. Why wouldn’t they?

        South Carolina doesn’t get a bump because of playing in the SEC, they get a bump because playing in the SEC is more difficult than playing in the Big Ten.

        It’s a big difference.

        But you guys are only going to see what you want to see… It’s a huge conspiracy. ESPN, the SEC and NFL have all conspired to make the SEC look better because they hate you! That must be it!

      • Mike
        June 4, 2016 at 7:14 pm

        Joe,
        You need to learn how to read, your complete basis towards the SEC is pathetically (I know big word for you right?) sad. Eric never specifically said you said “An 0-12 Kentucky team should be ranked above everyone else” he is implying that you believe that and you clearly do.

        I graduated from Louisiana State University , and I can honestly tell you the SEC gets extreme basis from the polls as well as Nationally televised games. As Eric mentioned in 2011 Alabama and LSU played a 9-6 game that was so pitiful (combined 8 missed field goals in the game) to watch it made me and my fiancé (an LSU grad herself) sick to call ourselves graduates of SEC schools, the game itself was as boring as Auburn and Mississippi State playing that “epic” 3-2 game that ended up costing Tommy Tuberville his job. Yet the voters had no issue putting LSU and Alabama in the National title game, yet in 2007 when #1 Ohio State and #2 Michigan played what I (a graduate of the SEC) would call the game of the century. Voters were to scared to vote two Big 10 teams back to back yet had no issue doing so with the SEC.

        Moving on to another one of your moronic (I know another big word for you) points I found it funny how you failed to acknowledge that the teams you picked for haven’t beating Ohio State since 2003, or 2005 yet, when Eric brought up the division teams in the SEC West you failed to acknowledge a valid argument. You do realize that Northwestern has not played Ohio State every year since 2005 right? Unlike Mississippi State who has played Alabama every year and hasn’t beaten them in a longer span. Once again though you don’t want to acknowledge when you’ve made an arrogant (I know another big word for you) point.

        Clearly you need to learn the game of football and stop commenting on these boards because you are one of the most ignorant non informed people I have ever had to sit here and read the posts. Eric never said the SEC wasn’t good. He just pointed out valid points, you’ve gone on and talked about well you can’t blame the SEC for not giving Alabama tougher cross over games, yet for some reason you want to hold it against Northwestern that the Big 10 hasn’t had them play Ohio State every year since 2005.

        Please learn the game of football, learn how schedules work, learn that the SEC isn’t as strong as you claim it is. And if you are going to sit here and make those claims, back them up and when someone brings facts like Eric and Jeff have please don’t start PMSing again. Do your research. Your opinion of an SEC doesn’t mean anything without facts to back them up.

      • Joe
        June 4, 2016 at 7:52 pm

        Again, “Mike,” if you want to argue what I’ve said, fine. If you want to make up things to argue against, that’s cool, just know it makes you look even more silly and more uneducated than you already look.

        So, let me get this straight. Because Alabama and LSU played a game that finished 9-6, the entire SEC is terrible? Okay, I guess that makes a lot of sense in your bizarro universe. I mean, basing your entire opinion of a conference off of one game seems completely rational.

        And to claim that you and your “fiancé” were sick to call yourselves a graduate of LSU because of that game says a hell of a lot more about you and your “fiancé.” And none of it is good. I mean, seriously. Could you get anymore pathetic than that?

        Well, yes, YOU probably could.

        As for the teams I mentioned that haven’t beaten Ohio State, I also mentioned Michigan who plays Ohio State every year and Wisconsin, which has played Ohio State seven of the last eight years. Maybe your “fiancé” didn’t read that to you slow enough. I’ll speak with her tonight when she comes by for her weekly therapy.

        I have forgotten more about football than you will ever know, sweet cheeks. And if you are going to come here and claim that the SEC isn’t as good as people say or better, then you need to learn the game of football.

        Oh, and by the way, “Mike,” you can just post as Eric because we know that’s who this really is. I mean, that kind of thing worked in third grade, but we’re supposed to be adults here. Grow up.

      • Day
        June 5, 2016 at 11:22 am

        In regards to the LSU vs Bama 9-6 victory, I thought the LSU kicker made all 3 of his kicks while between the other two Bama kickers, they only made 2 out of 6 (missing 4 kicks). Yes, ugly game but was a big defensive game as well. As for the championship game, I did feel bad for LSU having to play Bama again & I clearly could see the Tigers were not into that game at all, its like they just showed up & was expected to win, no energy at all or they just felt like they had already beaten Bama once & did not feel like they should be playing them again but there was no other teams to play. If you don’t remember Oregon, Oklahoma St & I think Oklahoma all lost at the end of the season allowing Bama to rise back to number 2 in the country. The championship game was a bore fest too but I was happy with the out come. The Ohio St vs Michigan game was a classic & I would not have had a problem if they did a rematch but I also remember Michigan losing to USC 28-14 in the Rose Bowl being out manned by the Trojans.

      • Jeff
        June 6, 2016 at 8:54 am

        Joe,

        Thanks for proving my points. It’s kind of sad that on a Saturday night, you have the time to respond to a post within 40 minutes of said post. But then again, your delusion is quite entertaining and also proves my point that the only things you live for are the SEC and this blog. Don’t worry bud, your Saturdays will be much more entertaining in less than three months when college football returns!

      • Mike
        June 6, 2016 at 5:04 pm

        Joe,

        See once again you twist the logic to fit your own world its fine so I’ll explain it to you, only to have you come back with different logic in the next 20 minutes and then have to reexplain the logic to you again and again and again.

        Yes the fact that LSU-Alabama played a sloppy and pathetic game. Does speak to the conference as a whole being down. Because when the two teams of the conference only manage 15 points total, with a bunch of missed kicks and field goals, that doesn’t make it a good game to watch even when it comes to the SEC. I love how you ignore the points that defeat your logic, if the SEC is such a good conference why hasn’t Mississippi State not beaten Alabama since 2003? Why prior to it’s two game winning streak had it been a decade since Ole Miss beat Alabama? I mean stop hiding behind your bs reasons you’re the one who claims the SEC is a tough conference, yet there’s only two or three teams that consistently compete, Stop bsing and ignoring questions that defeat your STUPID logic and answer a question for once in your life Why should we credit you for saying the Big 10 (more reps in terms of different teams to the CFP in 2 years than the SEC, Alabama twice, Ohio State and Michigan State) is top heavy when your only argument is well I’ll pick the teams Ohio State hasn’t played every year to justify my claim. Look the SEC is not all mighty as you believe sure they have the flukes like Mississippi State 2 years ago, remind me what happened to them this past year or where was MSU three years ago? Hb Auburn going through their eh we had our one great year, time to average again. Oh I get it Joe, it’s well it’s not fair to do that you can’t compare a Mississippi State to Alabama, but I Joe can compare Northwestern to Ohio State (like ya did). But don’t you dare compare an SEC school to Alabama. But I will compare Big 10 schools to Ohio State that’s fair. Please just commenting you’re pathetic.

        What’s most funny, is there’s a better chance the Big 10 will have another new rep this year (Iowa, Michigan) compared to the SEC having someone other than Alabama in the Final Four, which would go to parity in the Big 10 and Top heavy or better yet, 1 team heavy in SEC.

        Now here comes your dumb remark in 5….4…..3…..2…..1…..

      • Joe
        June 6, 2016 at 6:20 pm

        My Saturday’s are already entertaining.

        I’ve not twisted anything to fit my logic.

        The LSU and Alabama game doesn’t speak to the conference being down. Not every game is going to end 62-60. And a 9-6 game can be just as entertaining when defense are forcing mistakes, which is what happened in that game. Who cares if Mississippi State beats Alabama… Auburn has. LSU has. Mississippi has. There is far more balance in the SEC whether Mississippi State beats Alabama or not. Again, the conference is not determined by two teams.

        It’s funny that you rant about me hiding behind bs reasons… when I am not the one who changed my name because I said I wouldn’t post here again. That’s hilarious, by the way.

        See, you can ramble on and on and on about how the SEC isn’t as good as advertised. The truth is you’re wrong and the SEC proves that every single year on the field. Then, the NFL, who doesn’t really have a bias, comes in every spring and drafts more SEC players than players from any other conference. So, you might as well quit. Until the SEC goes about a decade without a national title and the NFL starts taking kids from other conferences you don’t have an argument… And those things won’t happen anytime soon…

      • Mike
        June 7, 2016 at 2:28 am

        Joe,

        Your logic is so pathetic lol. You continue to ignore questions that get shot at you, Congrats to Ole Miss for having a 2 game winning streak on Alabama first time since the 1970s. LSU continues to lay goose eggs in the Alabama game and they haven’t been competive in that series since 2010. The 9-6 game was a pitful game to watch you know it and I know it. That wasn’t a defensive slugfest that was two bad OCs calling the game.

        Yet when it comes to insulting the Big 10 as you have done you pick the teams that haven’t played Ohio State every year, you best argument would have been using Michigan or Michigan State, or Penn State, no you choose to pick two teams that haven’t even played Ohio State more than a combined 5 times since 2005 to make your point.

        Then when I ask well if the SEC is so balanced, why is it Alabama always representing the SEC in the SEC title game? or in the playoffs? Unlike the Big 10 who continues to have different reps, you view that as the conference being down, but a logical person would view that as parity. Seriously where is your proof that the SEC is a “balanced” league? Give me solid facts and not the my name is Joe and because I say this you have to buy it. Then maybe I will concede that the SEC should have an 0-12 team in the top 14 as you believe (notice I said as you believe, I did NOT say that you said it).

        Oh last thing a 2 game winning streak doesn’t qualify as parity. Oh and Why hasn’t Kentucky beaten Alabama since 1997, and only has one other win all time (here comes the Joe excuse)? Why has Florida in their last 3 matchups with Alabama been demolished? Why hasn’t LSU been able to challenge Alabama the last 5 years? Where’s this competive parity when Alabama plays Tennessee? Where’s this parity that you are talking about when it comes to the SEC? Seems more to the point that Eric made when he said the SEC is top heavy.

      • Joe
        June 7, 2016 at 10:20 am

        Seriously, Eric, you raise dumbass to a whole new level. If it were an Olympic sport, you’d win the gold every single time around.

        Look, I get it, champ. Some guys like ugly women and some guys like bad football. Glad to know which side you’re on.

        When I mentioned the teams that hadn’t beaten Ohio State, I mentioned Michigan and Wisconsin. Michigan, last I checked, played Ohio State every year and Wisconsin has played them every year but one over the last seven or eight years. I guess whoever is having to read this to you didn’t slow down enough for you to understand. Or perhaps there was just a little too much noise in the Target bathroom for you to hear that part.

        The fact still stands that the SEC is by far the more balanced conference. In the last 20 years, ten different teams have played for the SEC title, six different teams winning it and five of those teams have went on to claim nine national titles, while playing for two others.

        No other conference can make that claim. In fact, over the same span, only one Big Ten team played for a national title. The closest conference is the Big 12, with three teams having played for a national title. The Pac-12 and defunct (that word means they no longer exist as a football conference) Big East have two and the ACC has one. It’s not even close.

        But, let’s even dig deeper. Ten SEC teams have had at least 12 NFL draft picks over the course of the last four seasons. The Big Ten only has five with that many draft picks. The Pac 12 and Big 12 each have had four. The ACC has had three. So even on the field, the SEC has had more talent than any other conference, spread across more teams. Twice as much, in fact. So, when you line up to play an SEC team, you are going to see better players. Plain and simple.

        So, maybe you are right. Maybe an 0-12 Kentucky should be in the Top 14. I mean you keep saying it, but now it’s beginning to make sense. Why should Kentucky be punished for playing a far more difficult schedule, while teams like Ohio State, Oregon, and Baylor get rewarded for playing pushovers like Michigan, Kansas State, and Colorado?

        So tell me Eric, why has the Big Ten only had one team represent them in the national title game while the SEC has had five? Let’s hear your excuse? How can you continue to sit here and claim the SEC isn’t the most balanced conference in the nation when faced with the facts? Why do you continue to insist that the information isn’t what it is? ESPN bias? Black helicopters? Aliens? Hillary Clinton? The boogey man? What is it, Eric? What makes you continue to say these things that make you look so… well, dumb?

      • Jeff
        June 7, 2016 at 2:07 pm

        All,

        Let’s get a few things straight on this argument. First the argument itself:

        On May 29th, Joe Said

        Teams in the SEC don’t have the luxury of scheduling in-conference teams like Kansas, Indiana, Colorado, Maryland, Wake Forest, Rutgers, or Iowa State in November… Every SEC game is tough… It’s just not that way in the other conferences where one or two teams dominate year in and year out… The SEC is wide open…

        On May 30th, Eric said:

        Joe,

        I wouldn’t go that far and say every game in the SEC is tough. I’m sorry I don’t see Vanderbilt or Kentucky going on the road every 4 years (idr the exact cycle schedule but you get my point) and taking #1 Alabama into the 4th quarter. Not to mention of their 8 conference games 5 were decided by double digits and you can make it 6 counting the SEC title game…I’ll agree the SEC is probably better than the Big 10, but it isn’t as wide of a gap as it was back in 2006 or 2007.

        To me, the above points are the argument. I think Joe makes a lot of valid points why the SEC is most likely the best conference and a overall more balanced conference. The problem is that Eric and myself (and I am assuming Mike) have already conceded to this point. Our collective argument is that there are in fact bad teams in the SEC (not as many as there are in the B10) and that teams like Mississippi St, Ole Miss and A&M are propped up as powerhouse teams, when in reality the only real powerhouse teams are Alabama and occasionally Auburn and LSU. Hell I will even draw it out for you:

        Ohio State = Alabama
        Michigan = LSU
        Michigan State = Auburn
        Penn St Ole Miss, but not by much
        Iowa = A&M
        Minnesota<Miss St, more lopsided recently
        Northwestern=Missouri
        Maryland<Tennessee, its not close
        Indiana<Arkansas
        Illinois<South Carolina
        Rutgers=Kentucky
        Purdue=Vanderbilt

        So again, I think it is agreed that the SEC is marginally better and even a bit deeper, but not to the point that they should get a pass to schedule as many cupcakes as they do. Your NFL draft pick argument even supports that the SEC is better and deeper. But over the last 10 years the SEC has had 24% more draft picks than the B10 and 16% more draft picks than the ACC. This supports they are better, just not dominant.

        Finally, here is a little fact checking for Joe's most recent argument:

        In last 20 years, 2 Big Ten teams have one titles, Michigan won in 1997. It is currently 2016.

        SEC East champ Florida did not view Michigan as a pushover when they lost 41-7 last season.

        In the last 10 years, the SEC has 24% more players drafted than the Big 10. You said twice as much in the last 4. I doubt the math has changed that significantly (particularly since it was only 9% in most recent draft).

        Under Joe's logic, Eric, Mike and I enjoy bad football (don't get me wrong, I don't mind watching SEC football but watch more B10) and Joe likes ugly women. I think I am okay with that.

      • Jeff
        June 7, 2016 at 2:13 pm

        Apparently the blog didn’t like my list. Here is what I was attempting to send.

        Ohio State = Alabama
        Michigan = LSU
        Michigan State = Auburn
        Wisconsin=Georgia
        Penn St Ole Miss
        Iowa = A&M
        Minnesota<Miss St, more lopsided recently
        Northwestern=Missouri
        Maryland<Tennessee, its not close
        Indiana<Arkansas
        Illinois<South Carolina
        Rutgers=Kentucky
        Purdue=Vanderbilt

      • Jeff
        June 7, 2016 at 2:15 pm

        One more time.

        Penn St worse than Florida
        Nebraska better than Ole Miss

      • Mike
        June 7, 2016 at 10:05 pm

        Jeff,

        Nice breakdown but I think I would disagree with some of your placements and just want to make sure this is where you have them see that you had a couple posts where they got posted multiple times

        Big 10
        Purdue
        Maryland
        Rutgers

        SEC
        Vanderbilt
        Kentucky
        Arkansas

        Ohio State = Alabama
        Michigan = LSU
        Michigan State = Auburn
        Wisconsin=Georgia
        Penn St Ole Miss
        Iowa = A&M
        Minnesota<Miss St, more lopsided recently
        Northwestern=Missouri
        Maryland<Tennessee, its not close
        Indiana<Arkansas
        Illinois<South Carolina
        Rutgers=Kentucky
        Purdue=Vanderbilt

        Penn St worse than Florida
        Nebraska better than Ole Miss

        My first question would be where would you position Penn State Ole Miss, so here’s how the conferences shape out.

        Ohio State > Alabama (reason even SEC fans have to concede that Ohio State dominated Alabama in the latest matchup OSU had with Bama.

        Michigan slightly > LSU (I personally would be more inclined to put Michigan State here but I feel that had Michigan won against MSU last year this wouldn’t even be a discussion for me with whose better UM or MSU).

        Michigan State > Auburn (reason Auburn is to inconsistent, and I think Michigan would still be greater than Auburn and Michigan State slightly better than LSU).

        Iowa > Georgia (reason is because Iowa has been consistent since 2012 with improving win totals, as well as having played Power 5 teams, and just like Georgia plays a state rival every year, I also give Iowa a slight edge over Wisconsin due to last years road win.)

        Ole Miss slightly better than Wisconsin (reason I feel that the new system of play calling as affected Wisconsin in more recent years).

        Northwestern > Mississippi State (I would be tempted to put Missouri here, but new coaching staff, and the last year under Pinkle ended pretty bad, hard to buy Missouri).

        Florida slightly better than Nebraska (If Pelini was still at Nebraska this wouldn’t even be close, and I personally think head to head Nebraska would win by 3 touchdowns, but McEwian or however you spell his name had a good first year at Florida).

        Texas A&M slightly better than Penn State (Simple reason, both teams are on the decline, A&M was a one hit wonder with Manziel, and Penn State needs an old fashion coach like Bill O’Brien again.)

        Tennessee slight edge over Minnesota (Same as some of the reasons above if Minnesota had Kill as head coach I’d have to give Minnesota the edge, but over the last couple years Tennessee has been making progress).

        Indiana > Missouri (Last time I checked Indiana beat a ranked Missouri team in the last couple years. Enough said).

        South Carolina > Illinois (This is where the SEC “may” start dominating, but South Carolina is in the free pass because any remaining Big 10 team is clearly behind them, but they were a 2 or 3 year running program, but are going back to no whereville).

        Arkansas > Purdue (Beliema is starting to get his groove going in Fayetteville, but needs to find stability before Arkansas becomes a 2 year threat again).

        Maryland > Kentucky (Kentucky is a basketball school, there’s no reason to believe they would beat Maryland in a best of 3, one at home, one on the road, one neutral site)

        Rutgers slightly better than Vanderbilt (James Franklin was a fluke coach at Vanderbilt and what he did actually proves that the bottom of the SEC isn’t as great as people like Joe want to believe.

        So based on this the final score would be Big 10 – 8 wins SEC 6 wins. But I will say this some matchups if you flipped could change the total for instance I could see people believing Penn State is better than Nebraska, but I would take Nebraska over A&M thus making it 9-7 in favor of the Big 10. Flip Missouri and South Carolina then I would say it’s 7-7.

        Anyways feel free to change as you see fit Jeff, and hopefully good ole Joe doesn’t come back and say well the SEC would go 14-0 against the Big 10 has he probably believes.

      • Day
        June 8, 2016 at 8:08 am

        Not to ruffle any feathers & I do understand you guys are talking hypothetical with these match ups but the BIG has not had a winning record against the SEC since 2006, since 2007 SEC record vs the BIG is 24-13. Last year was 4-1. Not really sure if the BIG would get 10-8 wins & the SEC would only get 6 wins, I just don’t see it, not even if you flip the match ups do I see 7-7 tie with the games, I could be wrong.

      • Jeff
        June 8, 2016 at 9:24 am

        Mike,

        Good breakout and very good commentary. I don’t think the website liked my greater than or equal to signs so your methodology definitely worked better. You might have a tough time selling Iowa over Georgia but I also think you may have undersold Wisconsin. You have to remember than while the SEC likes to lift up Ole Miss, they have only been a Top 25 program for the last 2 years (before that, they were average at best), and over that 2 years period, did not play a single Power 5 team in the nonconference and even lost to a somewhat talented Memphis team. I think its a very interesting debate when looking at teams side-by-side. If you had to pin one team better than the other in the side-by-side comparisons, I would think it comes out pretty close, but probably with the SEC getting an 8-6 advantage. At the end of the day though, I think it is much closer than a guy like Joe might portray (or anyone else that is a regular caller on the Paul Finebaum Show).

      • Joe
        June 8, 2016 at 10:48 am

        Every SEC game is tough. When you come off a string of games featuring Arkansas, Mississippi State, Florida, and Tennessee, the next game against Kentucky is going to be tough because they have good players, they play in a huge stadium in front of a lot of people, and you are going to be beat up because of the competition you have faced in-conference.

        Just because Kentucky is the worst team in the conference doesn’t mean that they aren’t ‘good.’ The worst team in the SEC is still better than a lot of teams.

        Mississippi State, Mississippi, and Texas A&M are not ‘propped up as powerhouse teams.’ Only two Big Ten teams have had more players drafted by the NFL in the last four years than Texas A&M. Only three Big 12 teams have have had more drafted than Mississippi State. Those teams are stocked with good players, they aren’t ‘propped up’ at all.

        If anyone is ‘propped up’ it’s teams like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Iowa who are built up for the sole purpose of making Ohio State look better than they really are.
        Again, until the Big Ten, or another conference, begins dominating the college football landscape the way the SEC does year in and year out and proves they can do it for an extended period of time, the SEC is far and away the best conferences.

        As for your fact checking, I said “Ten SEC teams have had at least 12 NFL draft picks over the course of the last four seasons. The Big Ten only has five with that many draft picks. So even on the field, the SEC has had more talent than any other conference, spread across more teams. Twice as much, in fact.”

        Now, I have been out of school for a bit, but I have checked with math majors at seven major universities just this morning and all of them assured me that ten is in fact two times as much as five. Now, perhaps these people are wrong. I did ask them to put together a small think-tank to run these numbers through their computers, but I have yet to hear back from them. So, I am going to stand with the fact that ten is indeed twice the amount of five for the moment.

        I do like the whole “Ohio State is better than Alabama because the last time they played Ohio State dominated” argument. By that logic, Army is a better team than Georgia Tech because the last time they played, Army dominated Tech. Sure, that was 1917, but still…

        I would call that flawed logic, but there is no logic to it.

        As for the hypothetical rankings, you guys can do that all you want. It’s a pointless exercise. The only one that matters is:

        SEC > everyone else

        End of story.

      • Mike
        June 8, 2016 at 10:49 am

        Day,

        I would be interested to here your comparison of the teams (personal opinion is okay just please don’t pull a Joe and base your reason on because you say so). And personally that seems like a lot of matchups for the SEC to have had against the Big 10 since 2007 (I do know there’s at least two or three bowl matchups that constitute a higher number and just assuming three per year in regards to bowl matchups that would be what 24 matchups?) Like I said some of these teams if you flip flop one team for another than it could easily change the final number, as you would probably concede this is more of an opinion thing because having X player(s) or X Coach ultimately can make a difference. As an example if you look at Vanderbilt when they had James Franklin they would be more likely to “beat” a Big 10 team compared to where they are at right now. That’s not to say that would lose to a Big 10 team now, but it’s extremely more likely. That’s why with my picks I tried to give some justification as well as state many of the matchups would be slightly in favor of one team or another, as another example I had Florida slightly better than Nebraska and Texas A&M slightly better than Penn State but if you flip those two programs to where Florida takes on Penn State and Nebraska takes on Texas A&M I would actually then favor the Big 10 in both of those matchups Nebraska because of their familiarity with A&M, and Penn State because of their HCs numbers against Florida, played extremely close games in his years at Vanderbilt. Also the matchups aren’t a representation of where I think each team will finish in the conference. Just more of which teams I believe are more comparable to each other, For instance I think Tennessee has a chance to win the SEC East this year but I could easily see them having another 6-6 year. Yet I do have them in the “upper” section of matchups.

      • Joe
        June 8, 2016 at 1:20 pm

        I find it funny that someone who just arbitrarily posted some madeup comparison of SEC and Big Ten schools based on nothing more than personal opinion and flawed logic would claim that I have done the same when I have provided evidence and proof to every argument I have made. You even admit the numbers could be changed because is an ‘opinion thing.’

        Well, it’s not an opinion the SEC teams play more ranked teams per year than any other conference. It’s not an opinion that the NFL drafts more SEC players per year than they do from any other conference. It’s not an opinion that the NFL drafts more players from more SEC teams than any other conference.

        No. Those are called facts.

        Just like it’s a fact that the SEC is the best conference in all of college football.

      • Jeff
        June 8, 2016 at 5:12 pm

        Joe,

        In regards to your following response:

        “As for your fact checking, I said “Ten SEC teams have had at least 12 NFL draft picks over the course of the last four seasons. The Big Ten only has five with that many draft picks. So even on the field, the SEC has had more talent than any other conference, spread across more teams. Twice as much, in fact.”

        You are right, what you presented were facts. But they were narrowly construed facts that were constructed to fit your argument. You are right that twice as many SEC teams had at least 12 NFL draft picks over the last four years compared to the B10. But why the heck is 12 draft picks the determining factor as to whether a team has talent. Based on your logic, a team that had 13 draft picks over a 4 year period is significantly better than a team that had 10 or 11 draft picks? I’ll give you that team may have been slightly better, but not twice as good.

        This is why I tried to present a non-bias, broad measurement of talent, which was total draft picks by conference. What I found was that the SEC had 24% draft more draft picks than the B10 over the last 10 years and 9% more in the most recent draft. Again, showing that in fact the SEC does have more talent, but not twice as much talent like you want people to believe.

        With all that being said, I am going to pretend for a minute that I live in Joe’s world of delusion. Where in fact, the SEC does have twice as much talent and is the far superior conference to any other without question. In that same world Florida, with their 7 draft picks in the 2016 draft, was just as good as Alabama (despite losing to them 29-15) and far superior to lowly Michigan (lost to Michigan 41-7), who only had 3 players drafted. Using the same delusional theories that are nevertheless supported by misguided facts, Ohio State, while a member of a far inferior conference, was far and away the best team in the country in 2015. In fact, Ohio State was nearly twice as talented as Alabama, given they had 12 draft picks and Alabama only had 7. Sure the SEC was the most talented conference without a shadow of a doubt, but Ohio State is the gold standard of college football. Just remember that Joe proved this, not me.

      • Joe
        June 8, 2016 at 5:53 pm

        With 12 draft picks over a four year period, you probably have on average eight or so NFL caliber players on the field at any given time. That’s substantial in college football.

        I never said a team with 12 draft picks is twice as good as a team with 10. I don’t know where you pulled that from, but I can guess. It’s probably the same place you keep your head most of the time.

        Regardless, I like the fact that you spend so much time arguing points I never made. That’s charming, actually. I see it as your way of saying, “I can’t argue the things you have said, so I am going to make things up and argue against those instead.” That’s nice that you feel that way. It’s the first step in you coming around.

        If anyone would care to debate the things I actually said, that’s fine, too. Obviously Jeff isn’t up to the task. Kinda like the Big Ten when it comes to playing big games lately.

      • Mike
        June 9, 2016 at 3:39 am

        Joe,

        You really do need to understand what people say, just because you don’t specifically say it does not mean you are not implying the same logic. Jeff has made more valid points in his last statement then you have made the entire time. See you’re scared to admit the SEC isn’t as great as you want everyone to believe otherwise you would answer questions that are directed at you not evade them.

        Second you like to bring up facts that as Jeff said are narrowly fit to your logic to make you sound like you have half a brain. For instance you bring up the recent success in the draft as a driving point to the SEC being the great standard for college football, then explain this to me, how was it Michael Sams was a co-defensive player of the year at Missouri in his final year yet had to wait til the 7th round to get drafted and prior to him coming out as gay was considered no better than a mid 3rd round pick? He became the first SEC defensive or co-defensive player of the year to NOT get drafted in the first round. Hell I’m still trying to figure out how he was co-defensive player of the year because he didn’t have many things that stood out. Another thing you fail to bring up though is how do these players fair when they are in the league, since getting drafted you view as a standard barer, then explain how is it the Big 10 had 4 draft picks in the top 10 yet the SEC only had 1 (and it questionable one at that)? But you won’t answer the question because it’ll make you have to continue to force you to change your story.

        Hate to break it to you but the SEC isn’t clear and above the best conference in the country. You may think that Mississippi State losing to Maine 9-7 in 2003, or Auburn’s OT win over Jacksonville State, or Ole Miss losing to Jacksonville State, or a top 10 Arkansas team losing to Louisiana Monroe means that the SEC is a tough league but that actually means they aren’t as good as you think they are.

        Last thing I’ll bring up, but you’ll ignore it because it’ll force you defend your words which you clearly hate doing, you want to change your views mid stream so that you think your right, You ended one of your previous comments and this is word for word “SEC > everyone else

        End of story.”

        Earlier though when Eric presumed you thought the worst team in the SEC should be ranked no lower than 14th at 0-12, you went on to say he was making it up.
        So which one is it? You either believe the SEC > everyone else, or you’re a complete idiot, I personally think you’re complete idiot who picks and chooses the facts to back up his own statement, and you realize cleaning toilets at a local community college doesn’t mean you actually went to college right? But based on your logic North Dakota State is better than the SEC because they had the #2 overall pick, since how players are drafted dictate how great the college is.

        But I know you are going to have some dumb comment so here’s one other question for you to ignore.

        If the SEC is far greater than the Big 10 why did the Big 10 have more players drafted in the top 10? Now I will concede that the SEC did have more picks in the first round (8-6). But don’t ignore the question by generalizing it to the entire first round. You say the SEC is clearly the best conference yet the Big 10 had more top 10 picks why is that?

      • Day
        June 9, 2016 at 8:12 am

        Mike,

        Yes, factually there have been 37 games between the SEC vs BIG since 2007, of course mostly bowl games three a year (Gator, Capital One & Outback), others have been neutral site & a few home n homes. I really don’t have a comparison of teams with either conference. I know The Ohio State dominates the BIG like Alabama dominates the SEC & I know for a fact they both in their own ways have struggles with in their conferences. I was just pointing out facts about the head to head battles between the two conferences. You guys are really deep into this conversation so I think I will back way quickly……lol

      • Mike
        June 9, 2016 at 12:32 pm

        Day,

        Wasn’t trying to say you were wrong lol. You do a better job a presenting facts then some dumb people *cough* Joe *cough* excluding bowl tie ins the number just seems high to me, theirs only three teams I can think off that have faced off against SEC teams in that time frame (excluding bowl games) Alabama demolished Michigan I believe it was 2011, LSU with Wisconsin, and Missouri when they lost to Indiana a couple years ago.

      • Day
        June 9, 2016 at 1:32 pm

        Yes, there were more bowls then I thought, the record included BCS & playoff games as well. There was a home/n/home with Bama-Penn St, Vandy-Northwestern & Mizz-Indiana (btw, Indiana won the 1st game but no one mentions that). The good thing is we will see more BIG vs SEC games during the regular season I think. Joe is very passionate about the SEC & I don’t blame him, I am an SEC homer that lives in a BIG house with my wife, so I just keep my mouth shut…lol.

      • Mike
        June 9, 2016 at 2:07 pm

        Day,

        I think Eric or Jeff actually mentioned that in an earlier post, but don’t let Joe here that, he’ll make up some excuse like Missouri just had an off day, or it was that the SEC felt bad for the Big 10 and let them win, as opposed to admitting Indiana a Big 10 school went into SEC country and beat an SEC school (which btw was coming off an SEC title appearance if I’m not mistaken).

        The whole thing is the Big 10 and SEC argument started thanks to Joe, personally I think the Big 10 is the third best league. I believe the SEC is the best conference in the country but not clear as they were from say 2006-2012 (I even acknowledged their dominance in a couple comments during that span). I think the PAC-12 is the second best conference, (now watch Joe will go alter a comment saying I said the Big 10 was the best lol). Like I said I grew up in SEC country I graduated from an SEC school (unlike Joe) I am as passionate as anyone when it comes to defending SEC football, but they aren’t clear and above the best league. I think if you stacked the PAC-12 up against the SEC I think the PAC-12 would come out with a winning record (Now here comes Joe to insult the PAC-12), and probably use points Eric brought up about all time wins to “discredit” the PAC-12 lol.

        The one thing I believe the PAC-12 needs to do though is adopt the requirement for 1 power 5 school opponent as a mandate, granted most PAC-12 schools have been doing this for a while, but I still think they need to especially to help middle-tier teams in their conference gain more recognition. For instance Washington State plays an FCS school, Idaho and @ Boise State, they’ll probably lose at Boise State, which I think should be in a Power 5 conference the fact that they aren’t is a disgrace.

        Now here comes Joes biased dumb opinions in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1

      • Joe
        June 9, 2016 at 4:27 pm

        Look, you have proven Eric, Matt or whatever name you are going by now, that you are the last person to judge someone’s logic. So, if you say Jeff has “made more valid points in his last statement than (I have) the entire time” it’s of little consequence to me what you think. You have proven yourself to be utterly clueless when it comes to the facts, even denying them when presented with them.

        The SEC might not be as great as I make them out to be, you are right. They might be better, but they certainly aren’t worse. So, I’ll concede that point to you. You’re absolutely right, I might not be giving the SEC enough credit. In fact, I’m probably not giving them enough credit.

        You’re right about something else, too… I am posting biased information. They are called FACTS and the facts are biased in that they prove the SEC is better than everyone else, especially the Big Ten.

        As for some of your points… Michael Sam had a lot of issues off the field. A little unfair to bring him up, unless you want to add homophobe to the list of personality traits you possess.

        As for how SEC players do at the next level, going into last season 309 SEC players had made NFL rosters. That was 70 more than the ACC, which was second. 85 more than the Big Ten in third. 89 more than the Pac12. Sounds like they are doing pretty darn good.

        And since you guys like to pick on Kentucky, they have more players on NFL rosters than everyone in the Big 12, except three teams.

        And since you like to mention Ohio State beating Alabama two years ago, why not bring up that Alabama beat the winner of the Big Ten last year by 38 points? Oh, that’s right. It doesn’t fit the narrative that you want to make up.

        Since you like to talk about non-conference games, let’s look at the FACTS.
        The SEC has a winning record against all power conferences since 2006. 2005 was the last time the SEC lost more games than they won against teams in power conferences. Over that same span, the Big Ten has ended the season with a winning record against teams in power conferences once: 2010. That year they finished 10-9 against “stiff competition.”

        Though I should add, the Big Ten was only 2-4 against the SEC that season.

        Now, how about teams at the FBS level, but not in a power conference?

        Going back to 2001, the SEC has lost 36 games to teams at the FBS level that are not in a power conference. Pretty bad, I guess. But not when you consider that in that same span of time, the Big Ten has lost 60 games to teams that fit that criteria.

        How about FCS teams?

        Since 2006, the SEC has lost four games to teams in the FCS. The Big Ten has lost six.

        So, once again, the numbers don’t lie. The SEC is clearly better when they step out of conference to play other leagues.

        As for your comment about ‘how can the SEC better than every other conference even though Kentucky is no good,” the SEC can be better than every other conference, even if a team like Kentucky isn’t as good as Oklahoma or Oregon. That’s still possible. Just because the SEC is better as a whole, doesn’t mean that each of the individual pieces have to also be better. I can’t believe I have to explain that to you, but here I am doing just that. you are simply eliminating the relevant data to get the result you want, ignoring the other 13 teams in the conference and focusing only on one… Kentucky.

        And why did the Big Ten have more players drafted in the Top Ten? How about this for an answer… why are you always interested in shrinking the pool of information to get the answer you want? Why not look at the entire draft and take in the entirety of the data before coming to a conclusion? Maybe that’s your problem… you have no clue how to look at data and understand the information.

        So, because the Big Ten had more draft picks in the top ten picks of a single season, the Big Ten is suddenly better? Of course not, because that’s only a piece of the data. The entire picture tells you that the SEC is not only better, they are far better than the other conferences.

        But, since you brought up the NFL Draft, let’s look at just the first round. The Big Ten had six kids taken from two different schools. Five from one single school.

        The SEC, on the other hand, had eight kids taken from five schools.

        The data once again shows that the SEC is not top heavy like the Big Ten and the data clearly shows the SEC as the conference with the best talent spread over more teams.

        As for straight up Big Ten vs. SEC numbers, there have actually been 60 games between the two conferences since 2001. The SEC leads 36-24 in those games.

        Since 2011, the SEC is 16-8.

        So, yes, Missouri lost to Indiana. That’s one game. Very small sample size. The SEC was 55-12 in non-conference play that season. The Big Ten was 48-19. So, sure, narrow to sample size, manipulate the data. Or, look at the facts and get the real story.

        Decisive point to the SEC once again.

        So, there are a ton of facts and figures there for you to debate… And I’m sure you’ll say something along the lines of “well, in 1973, in the NFL Draft, between picks 206-222, there were no SEC players taken, so how can you claim the SEC is best?” But it simply isn’t important. In all of the important data, the SEC is clearly best. To claim otherwise at this point would be silly and prove you are clueless when it comes to football.

        Which is exactly why you’ll probably do it…

      • Mike
        June 9, 2016 at 5:40 pm

        Joe,

        So first off to discredit you, yet again. Show me an article that sights Michael Sams off the field issues, and don’t explain why he was at best a 3rd rounder prior to the draft, ya know god for bid he really wasn’t that good. Look I understand you’re clearly a homophobe but don’t go characterizing others like that. Also if you by chance have girlfriend or a wife, tell her if she needs a real man to let me know and I’ll set her up with my brother because reading your sentences gives me the impression you like beating women.

        Second you love not actually quoting people reason why it disproves your logic over and over, considering it was stated several times, Alabama beat Michigan State last year there really is no point for me to bring it up over and over, but since you want me to restate everything for you from now on I will. You say the Big 10 has lost 6 games to FCS schools, but fail to acknowledge which schools, and what years. You also fail to acknowledge how many close games the SEC has played with FCS schools since 2011. Including two of the biggest upsets in SEC history, (Jacksonville State over, perennial national contender Ole Miss as you believe in 2011) and Georgia Southern over Florida in 2013 (yes I will point out that they are now FBS, but it doesn’t change the fact that Florida lost to an FCS school).

        Third you bring up the draft yet you ignore my question Why if the SEC is so powerful, why don’t they have every pick in the draft if you can’t go wrong with an SEC player, because they only take the best right? I mean Big 10 4 players top 10 SEC 1 player top 10, but the SEC is the better league right? See you don’t want someone to bring up well the Big 10 had more players taken in round 4-5 then the SEC, but you would bring up the SEC had the last 15 players taken in round 7. (I’m not saying it actually happened don’t go PMSing) of these SEC players, how many are actually still on NFL rosters, and why not list every player from the SEC on a CURRENT Roster, as well as players from the Big 10? Hmmm…… You won’t though because it will discredit you again.

        Fourth I found it funny how you completely ignored my belief that the PAC-12 is the 2nd conference, and honestly not that far behind the SEC.

        Look Joe, I understand you have a strong hatred for people who discredit time and time again the SEC, I understand you hit women, you make accusations and call homophobes because you yourself are one, but look at the end of the day. You take any SEC school and pit them up against any PAC-12 school or Big 10 school I’ll put my money on the Big 10 school, unless the team is LSU and same with the PAC-12. You just like to spew stats and provide no sources to these stats. And expect everyone to agree with you.

        So I’ll leave it at this.

        You’re 100% right. The SEC is such a great conference, Might as well on June 9th 2016 make the next January Major Bowls set as follows

        Fiesta
        Missouri vs Texas A&M

        Rose
        Florida vs LSU

        Peach
        Ole Miss vs Tennessee

        Cotton
        Mississippi State vs Georgia

        Orange
        Vanderbilt vs Auburn

        Sugar
        Alabama vs Kentucky

        and then just for giggles screw the semifinals and make the National title game
        South Carolina vs Arkansas

        Remember own your words, you said you don’t give the SEC enough credit. So you believe an 0-12 SEC school should be ranked no lower than 14th.

        The problem you have Joe is you fail to see others view points, because you believe every SEC school is a National Title contender. You have chosen to pick facts that suit your argument. You fail acknowledge that in recent years the SEC isn’t as strong. Because if they were they’d be winning National Titles every year like they were doing. Look USC fans had the same belief about their school in the early to mid 2000s. Clearly the SEC has not been the top conference since College Football became a thing because last time I checked didn’t an undefeated Auburn team get left out of a National title game? Call me crazy but I think they did. But you want everyone to believe the SEC has always dominate you bring up past stats with no verification to justify your points.

        So explain it to me, if the SEC has always been far and above the best conference, as you are arguing then how did an undefeated Auburn team not make the National Title game? If the SEC is clear and above why did LSU spilt a National Title with Oklahoma?
        If the SEC is the best by a mile there should be no arguments an SEC school should be given a National title spot before the season begins, and it should be everyone else aims for that second spot and 1 SEC team gets a spot in the National Game right? I mean don’t back down now the SEC mighty right?. So Why do top 10 SEC schools (Arkansas, Auburn) lose or struggle against teams from the Sun Belt and the FCS? I mean Auburn came off a tough tough schedule when they played Jacksonville State, I forgot second game of the year, that Louisville squad man they were a juggernaut in the ACC last year. Yes Big 10 teams have struggled too. But last time checked a middle tier Big 10 team Northwestern did beat the PAC-12 Champs to open the year, I don’t see the Ole Miss’s of the world beating Power 5 conference champs.

        But you won’t answer my question you want to bring up past stats as proof so now I’m asking if all of this talent is in the SEC why do SEC teams struggle, and why has an SEC team not been granted an automatic spot in the National title game? You have no answer, your excuse is going to be something lame. Just do me a favor don’t go beating a woman because you just got owned again.

      • Mike
        June 9, 2016 at 8:22 pm

        Joe,

        I better correct my statement before you point it out also. Where I said why aren’t the Ole Miss’s of the world not beating Power 5 conference champs, that is in regards to their non conference portion of their schedule. Because even though you know what I meant you’re going to just stick to their back to back wins over Alabama.

        I’m willing to state right now that Ole Miss loses by 2 touchdowns if not more to Florida State, and when they do you’ll have some excuse as to why they did.

      • Joe
        June 9, 2016 at 10:52 pm

        You have yet to discredit me.

        Herm Edwards famously called Sam’s baggage into play and he was proven right in St. Louis, he was proven right in Dallas, and he was proven right in Montreal. Sam had issues. There are times where an issue in college doesn’t hinder a player, but once they are getting paid to do that job, it’s a problem.

        Ron Dayne ran for 2,034 yards as a senior at Wisconsin. He ran for 2,067 in four years with the Giants. Why? By your ‘logic’ he should have ran for 8,200 yards in four years with the Giants. But, that’s fantasy, not reality.

        Fantasy is something you enjoy. I guess when you have difficulty arguing reality, all you are left with is fantasy.

        But, whatever. I can’t help that you are a homophobe. I also can’t help that somehow you extrapolate out of my comments that I “beat women.” That’s false. But I would smack your mother in the teeth for being stupid enough to give birth to you.

        Next, the list of FCS teams that have beaten Big Ten teams is easy to find with a Google search, but since that seems so far beyond your capabilities, I’ll list them for you:

        2006: New Hampshire beat Northwestern 34-17
        2006: Southern Illinois beat Indiana 35-28
        2007: Appalachian State beat Michigan 34-32
        (This was the biggest upset in the history of college football, as Michigan was ranked fifth in the nation at the time before falling to Appy State.)

        2007: North Dakota State beat Minnesota 27-21
        2010: South Dakota beat Minnesota 41-38
        2011: North Dakota State beat Minnesota again, this time 37-24

        You want close games?

        2006: Minnesota edged North Dakota State 10-9
        2008: Wisconsin edged Cal State-San Luis Obispo 36-35
        2009: Iowa lucks out against Northern Iowa 17-16
        2009: Minnesota squeaks past South Dakota State 16-13
        2010: Michigan slips past Massachusetts 42-37
        2012: Wisconsin narrowly topped Northern Iowa 26-21
        2013: Purdue escapes against Indiana State 20-14
        2015: Indiana pulls out the one point win over Southern Illinois 48-47
        So, while the SEC has lost to FCS schools, the Big Ten does it more.

        And the Big Ten loses to teams from non-power conferences more.

        And the Big Ten loses to teams from power conferences more.

        Fact.

        I didn’t ignore the point you made about the first ten draft picks. I pointed out that you simply shrunk the sample size because you can’t argue the fact that the SEC clearly was the choice of the NFL when it came to stocking their rosters.

        Again, you then go off into some fantasy hypothetical argument that is not even worth a reply. The fact is the SEC had more players taken in the draft from more teams. There is nothing more to say.
        Fact.
        It’s also fact that there were 309 SEC players on NFL rosters going into last season. If you want their names, you find them. If you can debate it, fine. If not, you should shut up instead of continuing to make yourself look like a fool.

        I didn’t ignore your Pac12 comments either. I actually laughed when you had to change course because you were losing the Big Ten arguments. While the Pac12 is indeed better than the Big Ten, they still aren’t close to the caliber of the SEC.
        As for your hypothetical bowl lineup, it would probably produce the best television ratings the networks have seen in those bowls. I couldn’t care less who you would bet money on. You’ve already proven to be a fool with your words, it wouldn’t be a shock you were a fool with your money as well.

        Finally I never said the SEC had always dominated college football. More stuff you felt led to make up, I guess. However, for the last 20 years or so, they have. That doesn’t mean they always get the breaks. Especially early on, they had to prove themselves. Once they’ve done that, the college football world has belonged to the SEC.

        That’s fine. People realize the SEC is best. That’s why more often than not an SEC team plays for the national title. The people that really know the game understand who is the best conference.

        The SEC has won 8 of the last ten national titles. That’s as dominant as you’ll ever see in the sport. Nobody will top that, well, at least not until the SEC makes that 9 of the last eleven.

        The national title at this point is the SEC’s to lose every year. So, they kind of are already penciled in to a playoff spot. As they should be. Until someone can beat them consistently, which isn’t happening, it should stay that way.

        I also don’t care what you think the final score in the Mississippi and Florida State game will be. Maybe you’re right, maybe you’re wrong. Odds are you’re wrong. Either way, win or lose, the SEC won’t be defined by that one game. They’ll be defined by all of their games… and when the dust settles, I would imagine the national title will once again reside below the Mason-Dixon line.

        Oh, and if you’re going to start ‘correcting your statements, we’re going to be here for a long, long time. That’s a lot of correcting to do.

      • Mike
        June 9, 2016 at 11:18 pm

        Joe,

        See there you go back tracking again. Look just because your mother didn’t love you. You can’t find women to pay for sex, and you clearly are a homophobe those are things you need to work out with your therapist. I remember when Michael Sams entered the draft Herm Edwards clearly stated Sams ability as a pass rusher is a big question mark. Most analysts (I’m sure there was one crazy person like you who thought otherwise) didn’t even think Michael Sams was a 3 down player. So idk what logic you’re in but that’s on the field issues, same as if people questioned his ability to pick up systems, now if Herm Edwards came out and said something after Sams left Montreal about personal that doesn’t mean that he said it before the draft.

        You changed your draft statement AGAIN, Only thing I will say is why was there more Big 10 players on rosters come January of last year than SEC players? Just saying I mean based on your logic every position should be SEC player.

        Moving on I just wanted to point out that I don’t think the Big 10 is the best conference, you seem to have thought that I did, so I wanted to clarify that. I didn’t backtrack like you’ve done your last 5 statements and twist and turn to fit this stat and that stat.

        Now lets be realistic here although you are correct in saying the SEC is basically guaranteed a spot in the CFP, so is the Big 10, and PAC-12 I would argue the Big 12 and ACC are the ones fighting for that last spot, because personally you’re probably going to need to win your conference title to make it. Having said that. I doubt for a minute if Vanderbilt miracously goes 12-1 this year they are making the CFP.

        Final point for some reason you don’t understand what the word imply means. When you bring up stats that I didn’t ask for so anything in the draft, any game stats prior to your last comment, and you go digging in past such as Georgia is a national contender because they won a National Title in 1980 you are IMPLYING that every SEC team is better.

        Also go back and look at Wisconsins 2008 schedule they did not play this game
        2008: Wisconsin edged Cal State-San Luis Obispo 36-35 (may have been basketball but not football). So I wonder how many others stats you made up.

        Last point
        I would tend to agree with the App State win over Michigan, but if you google biggest upset in college football history a very strong argument can be made for Stanford as a 42 underdog upsetting I believe USC was #2 at the time. So it would depend on your personal opinion as greatest upset ever, but notice what I said I would tend to agree with you, that doesn’t mean twist and say I said Stanford over USC.

        So please stop picking and choosing what you want and trying to argue. Once again I understand its tough on you being a hs dropout that beats women hates gays and probably supports what happened at Stanford and the swimmer getting only 6 months. I feel sorry for your family having to have holidays with you. Once again if by chance you have a woman let her know I’ll set up with a guy wayyyyy better than you.

      • Joe
        June 9, 2016 at 11:47 pm

        Search what Herm Edwards said. Search it. It’s on the Internet.

        You know what, I’m sure the idea of Google is way too complex for you. Here’s the link:

        http://deadspin.com/herm-edwards-suggests-mike-sam-is-bringing-baggage-in-1519691334

        You don’t have to remain ignorant. The facts have been presented to you. You don’t have to cling to stupidity the way you do.

        And there weren’t more Big Ten players in the NFL in January. It’s just not the case.

        http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/91053/breaking-down-nfl-rosters-by-conferences-and-colleges

        If Vandy goes 12-1 and wins the SEC this year, they will be in the playoff. Count on it. No one is leaving the SEC out of the playoff at this point. Not at 12-1. No way a 12-1 SEC team gets left out, even with four undefeated teams from the other conferences.

        And as dumb as that comment was, this is your best comment yet:

        “Also go back and look at Wisconsins 2008 schedule they did not play this game
        2008: Wisconsin edged Cal State-San Luis Obispo 36-35 (may have been basketball but not football). So I wonder how many others stats you made up.”

        Actually, yes, Wisconsin played that game. In football. It’s even listed on this very site. Do you have any clue how to do research on your own? I really don’t think you do. Something about not getting to color the pictures on the Internet must prevent you from grasping the information.

        But let me help you, California has a State University system that includes dozens of university. California is actually known as Cal State-Berkeley. There is Cal State-Northridge, Cal State-Long Beach, Cal State-Bakersfield, Cal State-Fresno… the list is seemingly endless. Well, the university that is known as Cal State-San Luis Obispo is also known as Cal Poly, for California Polytechnic, which is located in San Luis Obispo, California. So, look up Wisconsin’s 2008 schedule on this very site, and there in plain English is the game I referenced.

        I mean, that’s the easiest thing in the world to do. Just call up their schedule and look at it. How can you not do that? Or is it that you simply don’t understand the these schools operate in a larger context? I mean, you went to LSU, right? The Louisiana State University that fields an SEC football team is located in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. But there are other Universities in the system. There is LSU-Alexandria and LSU-Shreveport. The University system in Tennessee has the University of Tennessee in Knoxville, but there are also the University of Tennessee-Chattanooga, UT-Martin, and so on.

        I mean, anyone who has ever attended a day of college knows these things. And since you said you did, this is basic knowledge of how the system works. It’s stunning that this is all new to you.

        Something tells me LSU is more embarrassed of you than you ever could be of them.

        Besides, if you can’t even look at a school’s schedules and read the names of their opponents, I really am wasting my time with you. You simply aren’t smart enough to continue this debate with. I have thoroughly whipped you on all points and now you are missing even the simplest points.

        By the way, since 2001, the Pac12 has lost five games to teams from the FCS. Guess what? That’s more than the SEC has lost.

        Go figure.

      • Joe
        June 10, 2016 at 12:02 am

        Well, I tried to post the links, but this site won’t allow them without moderation. Realizing that Google is apparently too complex for you, I will lift a couple of paragraphs from the Herm Edwards story on Deadspin, where he got slammed for his comments:

        “Herm Edwards repeatedly called Michael Sam by the wrong name and compared the openly gay NFL prospect to a player with off-the-field issues in a disaster of an appearance tonight on ESPN.

        Look, we get that ESPN needed analysis from one of its NFL experts. But couldn’t they find someone more willing and informed than Herm Edwards? SportsCenter anchor Steve Levy looks pained at times trying to get through the conversation with Herm, who repeatedly trails off into nonsensical ellipsis-ized asides. Worse yet, Edwards made an awful attempt to compare Mike Sam to a “player with off the field issues […] he’s bringing baggage into your locker room.”

        Clearly said pre-draft. And clearly states exactly what I claimed he stated. Sam had baggage. And he was right. Just like I was when I said he said it.

        You don’t have to remain ignorant. The facts have been presented to you. You don’t have to cling to stupidity the way you do.

        And there weren’t more Big Ten players in the NFL in January. It’s just not the case.

        It’s on the ESPN website. A simple Google search will find it for you.

        It is also worth noting that of the 106 players on last year’s Super Bowl teams, Denver and Carolina, close to a third (31) were from the SEC.

        If Vandy goes 12-1 and wins the SEC this year, they will be in the playoff. Count on it. No one is leaving the SEC out of the playoff at this point. Not at 12-1. No way a 12-1 SEC team gets left out, even with four undefeated teams from the other conferences.

        And as dumb as that comment was, this is your best comment yet:

        “Also go back and look at Wisconsins 2008 schedule they did not play this game
        2008: Wisconsin edged Cal State-San Luis Obispo 36-35 (may have been basketball but not football). So I wonder how many others stats you made up.”

        Actually, yes, Wisconsin played that game. In football. It’s even listed on this very site. Do you have any clue how to do research on your own? I really don’t think you do. Something about not getting to color the pictures on the Internet must prevent you from grasping the information.

        But let me help you, California has a State University system that includes dozens of university. California is actually known as Cal State-Berkeley. There is Cal State-Northridge, Cal State-Long Beach, Cal State-Bakersfield, Cal State-Fresno… the list is seemingly endless. Well, the university that is known as Cal State-San Luis Obispo is also known as Cal Poly, for California Polytechnic, which is located in San Luis Obispo, California. So, look up Wisconsin’s 2008 schedule on this very site, and there in plain English is the game I referenced.

        I mean, that’s the easiest thing in the world to do. Just call up their schedule and look at it. How can you not do that? Or is it that you simply don’t understand the these schools operate in a larger context? I mean, you went to LSU, right? The Louisiana State University that fields an SEC football team is located in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. But there are other Universities in the system. There is LSU-Alexandria and LSU-Shreveport. The University system in Tennessee has the University of Tennessee in Knoxville, but there are also the University of Tennessee-Chattanooga, UT-Martin, and so on.

        I mean, anyone who has ever attended a day of college knows these things. And since you said you did, this is basic knowledge of how the system works. It’s stunning that this is all new to you.

        Something tells me LSU is more embarrassed of you than you ever could be of them.

        Besides, if you can’t even look at a school’s schedules and read the names of their opponents, I really am wasting my time with you. You simply aren’t smart enough to continue this debate with. I have thoroughly whipped you on all points and now you are missing even the simplest points.

        By the way, since 2001, the Pac12 has lost five games to teams from the FCS. Guess what? That’s more than the SEC has lost.

        Go figure.

      • Jeff W.
        June 10, 2016 at 3:14 am

        Joe,

        I tend to agree with a lot of your points about the SEC, I agree that they are an extremely dominate conference. I agree there is a lot of parity but maybe not as much as you would think.

        I will let you know ahead of time I am a fan of Notre Dame.

        But I have a question for you. Lets say a semi final game is the Sugar Bowl, and you have a 12-1 Ole Miss team vs a 12-0 Notre Dame team. Which team is making the CFP?
        You don’t want to deal with hypotheticals, but this is a hypothetical that has merit, if you honestly believe Ole Miss is getting in based on being in the SEC over Notre Dame, you’re crazy end of story. Notre Dame will trump MOST SEC schools, especially if Notre Dame has gone undefeated.

        See the point that “Eric” and “Mike” and to a point the other Jeff are saying it’s that the SEC isn’t as dominate. Common sense would say you win 7 straight national titles you are a pretty dominate conference (although 4 out of 12 teams winning titles would lead people to believe of the conference being top heavy) subsequently you win 2 of 3 or 3 of 4 the fact that you aren’t winning it every single year would seem to mean that there is a SLIGHT drop. It may be so minor of a drop, but it still is a drop.

        Also I think you would agree the SEC West is the tougher of the two divisions right? I mean it’s a lot tougher for Ole Miss to run through @ Alabama, vs LSU, @ Auburn @ Arkansas, then say South Carolina going through @ Missouri, @ Florida, vs Kentucky vs Vanderbilt. But that doesn’t diminish the overall “strength” of the conference. (I did just pick the names that first came to my head. I believe the way the SEC schedule sets up Ole Miss actually hosts Alabama on years they go to Auburn, I was just giving you an example with teams).

        Look you’ve made some valid points, but the fact still stands the SEC isn’t as dominate as it was say in 2009. Doesn’t mean they aren’t the best conference over say 5 years it just means they aren’t what they were in a given year. Bottom line in my opinion at the end year the team that wins the National Title is the best conference, last year it was SEC and the best team was Alabama, the year before it was the Big 10 and Ohio State, the year before that it was the ACC and Florida State. Next year it may be Oklahoma and the Big 12 or Southern Cal and the PAC-12.

        The SEC is the best conference but the gap has definitely closed with the PAC-12, some analysts have pointed to the PAC-12 South as being the toughest division in all of college football. Big 10 has closed in on both of theses conferences.

      • Jeff
        June 10, 2016 at 9:25 am

        Joe,

        I just want to thank you for being a great free source of entertainment. I spent the day yesterday traveling down to the beach in SEC country and when I needed a laugh, I could just tune in to your delusional perspective. You should seriously consider contacting the Paul Finebaum show and get paid to be a frequent caller like Phyllis. You could probably double your income! I think the most entertaining part of this argument is that you still have not comprehended what the other side of the argument is. You are still assuming that we are arguing that the B10 is better than the SEC (you have misquoted this to be our argument on several occasions). No one is arguing this Joe. You need to stop seeing red every time someone makes a point that shows the SEC isn’t as dominant as people like yourself believe. I have serious doubt that you have fully comprehended and taken into consideration one single point that has gone against the SEC’s dominance in this entire 65 post debate. It is quite ironic when you knock on others intelligence and their ability to read when you haven’t demonstrated the ability to read and comprehend a single point made by someone other than yourself. After reading through this blog I feel really confident that my original point has been proven true; Arguing with Joe is like arguing with a dog not to eat chocolate. You can make a lot of valid points such as chocolate can kill dogs, but at the end of the day, all the dog can comprehend is that chocolate is food and dogs like food.

      • Joe
        June 10, 2016 at 9:35 am

        So, the question is: “ Lets say a semi final game is the Sugar Bowl, and you have a 12-1 Ole Miss team vs a 12-0 Notre Dame team. Which team is making the CFP?”

        That’s not enough information. What was each team’s schedule. Who did Mississippi lose to? Who did Notre Dame beat? How? Who are the other two teams? There is more to it that just throwing out team names and records and saying pick one.

        Let’s take next year… Let’s say, Ole Miss beats Florida State who goes on to win the ACC. Let’s say they then beat Alabama and Georgia before dropping a close game on the road to Arkansas. They then go on to beat LSU easily, A&M easily, and Tennessee in the SEC Title game. Then sure, Ole Miss has a pretty good shot of going over that Notre Dame team, even at 12-0. They lost a close game on the road against a ranked Arkansas, then rebounded, beating three more ranked teams to close out the year in LSU, A&M and Tennessee (all on the road). I think that would be key.

        But again, Who are the other two teams, because I think Notre Dame and Mississippi probably would both get in. If it was last year and the pool was Notre Dame (replacing Clemson), Mississippi (replacing Alabama), Michigan State, and Oklahoma, I think Michigan State stays home.

        Again, this is purely hypothetical, and like Mike and Eric and the others, you can’t limit the amount of information in an attempt to force an outcome. It doesn’t work that way.

        Notre Dame carries a lot of weight, yes, but there are four teams that get in, A 12-0 Notre Dame isn’t going to be the weak link. A 12-0 Big Ten team, might be. A 12-0 Big 12 team might be. A 12-0 Pac-12 team might be.

        Oh, and if you want to go back and look at schedules, don’t let “Mike” or “Eric” help you with that. He really doesn’t understand how to read a team’s schedule, as odd as that sounds.

        As for the top heavy argument, name the last four Pac12 teams to win a national title. Tell me the last four ACC teams to win a national title. Tell me the last four Big 12 and Big Ten teams to win a national title. You have to go back a long ways to get four teams from any conference… But you only go back to 2006 for the SEC. The SEC isn’t even close to being as top heavy as the other conferences.
        At the moment, the SEC West is the tougher of the two conferences, yes, but that’s not always the case. There was a time when the East, with Tennessee, Florida, Georgia and South Carolina was the toughest of the two. So, it goes back and forth. College football is far more cyclical than other sports due to the nature of the kids being locked up for four years… Teams that have a good year tend to have a few good years in a row, same with bad years… it takes a recruiting class or two to break a bad spell…

        The best team from the best conferences winning the national title has no bearing on who is the best conference. That’s silly. But, if that same conference is winning more of their non-conference games than anyone else, they are sending kids to the NFL more than any other conference. Perhaps. But when Ohio State won the national title a couple of years back, that didn’t make the Big Ten the best conference.

        Until someone comes a long and can beat the SEC and sustain that success for a number of years, the SEC will continue to dominate the college football world.

      • Joe
        June 10, 2016 at 11:15 am

        I noticed “Jeff” got in a quick comment…

        In response, I’d just say Finebaum doesn’t want me… I’ll take over and he knows it.

        As for comprehending what you are saying, Jeff, I’d just say I have difficulty comprehending ignorance such as yours. And claiming that the SEC isn’t the dominant top conference in all of college football is just that: Ignorant.

        All of the facts, all of the evidence, all of the information leads to one single conclusion… The SEC is the best conference in college football and it’s not close.

        It’s like you are out there screaming the world is flat and then getting upset nobody is listening to you. When you are spouting off such ignorance, you can’t expect people to take you seriously. And trust me, I take nothing you say seriously.

      • Jeff W.
        June 10, 2016 at 2:49 pm

        Joe,

        Okay I’ll bite. Honestly it isn’t a question because the CFP wants to make money and I don’t care what you say Notre Dame will bring more money than any SEC school outside Alabama (and I wouldn’t be surprised if Notre Dame actually did)

        So in this scenario your following teams would be as follows

        SEC Champ – Alabama (#1 Seed) PAC-12 Champ Oregon (#2 seed) Big 10 Champ Ohio State (#3 seed)

        So since you need made up schedules hypothetically lets take this years schedules, also I will try and keep these scores “reasonable” so not to discredit you anymore.

        Please note I can’t see into the future so rankings kinda fall in line with common sense, like first game I feel pretty confident both Ole Miss and Florida State will start in the top 12.

        Ole Miss schedule

        Game 1 vs #9 Florida State – W (Final Score 27-26)
        Note – Florida State finishes the year 8-4 (No ranking)

        Game 2 vs Wofford – W (Final Score 56-3)
        Note – Ole Miss will dominate no matter what score really doesn’t matter

        Game 3 vs #1 Alabama – L (Final Score 45-17)
        Note – Chad Kellys worst game throws three pick 6s, as a remake of last year when Ole Miss got dominated in the swamp. Alabama finishes 13-0 claims #1 seed in CFP

        Game 4 vs #15 Georgia – W (Final Score 28-24)
        Note – I’m not going to sit here and nit pick ever schedule to see where each team potentially could be ranked. Confident Georgia will be ranked unless they are winless at this point. Georgia finishes 8-4 #23 final rankings

        Game 5 vs Memphis – W (Final Score 31-30)
        Note – Memphis struggles all year finishes season 4-8 in a new coaches first year.

        Off Week

        Game 6 @ Arkansas – W (34-14)
        Note – Arkansas struggles to run the ball, and their QB throws 2 picks 6s. Arkansas does outgain Ole Miss in the game, but loses by 3 scores. Arkansas finishes 5-7.

        Game 7 @ #9 LSU – W (23-21)
        Note – Controversial PI allows Ole Miss to kick a game winning field goal. LSU drops next 2 conference games. LSU finishes 9-3 and #15 in final rankings

        Game 8 vs Auburn – W (30-18)
        Note – Slugglish game in downpour, allows Ole Miss to really run ball and dictate the game. Auburn finishes season 3-9 (lost to open the year to Clemson 45-21)

        Game 9 vs Georgia Southern – W (45-0)
        Note – Complete game against an inferior opponent allows Ole Miss to keep tracking towards CFP.

        Game 10 @ Texas A&M – W (34-17)
        Note – Texas A&M struggles all year in route to worst SEC record since joining league. Finishes 3-9. Ole Miss average game not great but not bad either

        Game 11 @ Vanderbilt – W (24-23)
        Note – Closer game than expected for Ole Miss, as Vanderbilt puts in a valid effort fighting for their HC job. Vandy kicker misses potential game winning FG with :22 seconds left. Vanderbilt finishes 4-8

        Game 12 @ #17 Mississippi State – W (45-40)
        Note – Rivalry game, prime time Ole Miss throws late touchdown to stun Bulldogs. This keeps Ole Miss in the discussion to become first at-large team into semi-final.

        Notre Dame

        Game 1 – @ Texas – W (33-27)
        Note – Texas ends game with INT in endzone with chance to win. Texas finishes the year 10-2 ranked #9 in final CFP.

        Game 2 – vs Nevada W (38-3)
        Note – Notre Dame destroys Nevada. Nevada finishes 7-5.

        Game 3 – vs #7 Michigan State W (33-30 OT)
        Note – Instant Classic that puts Notre Dame in top 5. Michigan State finishes 9-3 ranked #12 in final standings

        Game 4 – vs Duke W (37-17)
        Note – Notre Dame doesn’t look out of their element cruises by Blue Devils. Duke finishes season 9-4 represents ACC costal division in ACC title game finishes ranked #25 in final standings

        Game 5 – @ Syracuse W (24-20)
        Note – Game is back and forth battle, as Syracuse fails on 4th and 3 inside the ND 4 with 2:22 to go allows Notre Dame to escape. Syracuse finishes 3-9.

        Game 6 – @ NC State W (30-21)
        Note – Another close game has people questioning if there is issues with Notre Dame.

        Game 7 – vs #9 Stanford W (33-31)
        Note – In a dramatic finish Notre Dame silences the critics with a big win at home. Stanford finishes 10-2 ranked #7 in final standings.

        Off Week

        Game 8 – vs #17 Miami W (30-27)
        Note – Back and forth game reminds people of Catholics vs Convicts. Notre Dame kicks the game winner as time expires. Miami (FL) finishes the year 9-3 ranked #20 in final standings.

        Game 9 – vs #15 Navy W (38-14)
        Note – Rivalry game, and Notre Dame dominates. Navy stays in the battle for Group of 5 spot. Navy finishes year 11-2 ranked #14 in final standings (Doesn’t claim Group of 5 NY6 game)

        Game 10 – vs Army W (38-3)
        Note – Netural Site game, Notre Dame roles. Army finishes 4-8.

        Game 11 – vs Virginia Tech W (35-23)
        Note – Va Tech in first year of new coach roles out to a 17-0 lead. As Notre Dame fights back for double digit win. Va Tech finishes 8-4 no ranking.

        Game 12 – @ #4 Sothern Cal W (31-28)
        Note – Southern Cal lives up to hype all year comes in undefeated. Notre Dame takes out #4 Southern Cal with game winning field goal. Southern Cal loses to Oregon in PAC 12 title game. Finishes 11-2 ranked 7th in final standings.

        So these are not made up schedules these are both Ole Miss’s and Notre Dames 2016 schedules. Obviously rankings are inaccurate because you and I can’t see into the future. Now I don’t have as much free time as you so I’m not going to go well Navy did this against this team but Ole Miss did this against that same team. They have thing computers for that to figure out pure SOS. So lets not be 100% literal. Or if you want to you go ahead and figure out the true strength of schedule but keep in mind you couldn’t just fudge the numbers.

        Also let me make sure I’m reading this correctly “Let’s take next year… Let’s say, Ole Miss beats Florida State who goes on to win the ACC. Let’s say they then beat Alabama and Georgia before dropping a close game on the road to Arkansas. They then go on to beat LSU easily, A&M easily, and Tennessee in the SEC Title game. Then sure, Ole Miss has a pretty good shot of going over that Notre Dame team, even at 12-0. They lost a close game on the road against a ranked Arkansas, then rebounded, beating three more ranked teams to close out the year in LSU, A&M and Tennessee (all on the road). I think that would be key.

        But again, Who are the other two teams, because I think Notre Dame and Mississippi probably would both get in. If it was last year and the pool was Notre Dame (replacing Clemson), Mississippi (replacing Alabama), Michigan State, and Oklahoma, I think Michigan State stays home.”

        You talk about replacing, teams but read your own statement you have Notre Dame replacing Clemson, and Ole Miss replacing Alabama. So that’s two replacements so how is Michigan State getting left out?

        So just like Mike and Eric you are picking and choosing the information you want to use. What is you’re definition of beating? What’s Tennessee record? Who did Tennessee lose to?

        Also you brought up schedules. That was a rare November non-conference game that Wisconsin played. Believe it was only the 2nd non conference game Wisconsin has ever played in November. Not a Big 10 fan so I could be wrong.

        See you strike me as the type of person that if Alabama won 5 straight National Titles. You would still say the SEC as a conference is balanced. Yet if Alabama won 5 straight it’s a 1 team conference. I agreed that the SEC the best conference, I don’t argue that opinion. My main issue with you, is when they aren’t winning national titles every year like they were. How are they still just as dominate? You twist it then and go well, against this conference they did this against that conference they did that. Against lower tier teams they do this. Yet when people bring up well what happened here. Well if its murderers row in the SEC well why is “Vanderbilt not taking Alabama to Double OT every year they play”. or this team doing this. You’re trying to have it both ways and it doesn’t work.

        Look the SEC is dominate. Are they as dominate NO reason why, they haven’t won National Titles every year for the last decade.

        So please don’t get off topic. I gave you more information for you to make the correct decision. As to who would get that #4 spot. Keep in mind the committee both years as said winning a conference title matters. So in all reality the Big 12 Champ who we’ll say is TCU at #6 probably at 11-1 or 12-0 is in better standing than both Notre Dame and Ole Miss.

        You now have Notre Dame’s and Ole Miss’s 2016 schedules with hypothetical rankings, you tell me how Ole Miss gets in over Notre Dame. We’ll assume for discussion the Big 12 has a 2 loss TCU as champions.

      • Jeff W.
        June 10, 2016 at 2:57 pm

        Joe,

        Sorry it wouldn’t let me type anymore so I figured I’d finish this part too

        What you say prior to this statement and directly after means nothing. I expect you to justify your statement. Also it’s not conferences there aren’t to SEC conferences they are called divisions. (Figured I’d point that one out)

        “At the moment, the SEC West is the tougher of the two conferences, yes, but that’s not always the case. There was a time when the East, with Tennessee, Florida, Georgia and South Carolina was the toughest of the two. So, it goes back and forth. College football is far more cyclical than other sports due to the nature of the kids being locked up for four years… Teams that have a good year tend to have a few good years in a row, same with bad years… it takes a recruiting class or two to break a bad spell…”

        Interesting point you concede that the SEC East right now is less daunting than the SEC West. So please explain to me, if you’re willing to acknowledge there is a talent gap or w/e you want to call it. Then how is that the SEC as a whole is still as dominate or more dominate then it was say in 2010, or so I don’t get corrected we use the their 7 national titles in a row?

        Also please don’t forget to answer my Ole Miss vs Notre debate question.

      • Joe
        June 10, 2016 at 3:33 pm

        You know, that really took some time on your part, but for what? To try to get me to play some hypothetical game that is ultimately pointless? The funny thing is, it’s Friday and this was what you found to do with your time?

        Wow.

        If only I didn’t have a life and could spend all day making up pretend college football scenarios.

        I also wish that I could just completely disregard the fact that there are four teams that make the college football playoff, but I can’t, because, well, that’s just the way it works. You continue to only name two teams.

        And, as I so clearly pointed out above, If you have a pool of teams, Ole Miss, Notre Dame, Michigan State, and Oklahoma, I think Michigan State probably doesn’t go. Again, the committee is looking for four teams, not one. A 12-1 Mississippi that has won the SEC isn’t up against just Notre Dame. That’s not how this work. If you want to live in fantasy land and change reality, you can do that by yourself. Well, Eric and those other clowns will play along, but I try to stay based in the reality of the situation and right now that means four teams make the playoff. And your little scenario, as time consuming and long-winded as it is, still doesn’t provide a situation that mirrors the reality of the actual choice being made.

        And, Alabama hasn’t won five straight national titles. So you have no idea what I would say about the SEC at that point. The FACT is since 2006, four teams have won a national title from the SEC. You have to go back decades to find four different teams from the other power conferences that have won national titles. That’s the reality. That’s not some made up, hypothetical, fantasy, voodoo, what if scenario. It’s the live in the blood, real deal Hollyfield, here in the now reality of the situation.

        The SEC has won eight of the last ten national titles. No conference has ever done that. I don’t care how you attempt to redefine ‘dominance,’ that is the epitome of the word. “But they haven’t won EVERY national title,” you say. But that doesn’t change the fact that they have still dominated the sport unlike any other conferences in the history of the game. See, again, the reality is very different from the fantasy you are attempting to create where dominance isn’t dominance unless it happens all the time. The 1927 Yankees dominated baseball. It’s not debatable. They still lost 44 games in the regular season. But that doesn’t change the fact that they dominated the entire league.

        Now, let me save you the rest of your Friday. I don’t in any way expect you to go back and look at all the schedules, playing out each one, manipulating this score and that to continue this exercise in fantasy football voodoo. That would take up too much of your time, which you can probably spend better eating glue, listening to your Justin Bieber CDs, watching pro wrestling, or coming up with new names to post as to make it look like more people think like you than really do. Again, the lines of reality and fantasy are pretty blurry in your world. That doesn’t mean they are in mine.

        As for the talent gap, you are splitting hairs. The SEC east may finish second in my opinion to the SEC West, but the SEC East is still far and away better any division in the other conferences.

        And, I don’t care when or how many nonconference games Wisconsin has played in November. That point was irrelevant. But then again, I can see that word used a lot in regards to your post.

      • Jeff W.
        June 10, 2016 at 4:18 pm

        Joe,

        First off you are one to talk about free time. Look how often you post.

        Second go back and read your own comment you didn’t list a pool teams you said Notre Dame (replacing Clemson) Mississippi (replacing Alabama) so you are removing Alabama and Clemson from consideration. Now you may want me to reach and assume you’re keeping them in play. I read it the way you posted it.

        Listing a pool of teams would go something like this
        If you had Alabama, Oklahoma, Clemson, Michigan State, Notre Dame and Mississippi. Then if you said Michigan State would be left out you’d actually have a valid point. But you’d probably say that somehow Ole Miss would be in over Notre Dame. Wouldn’t happen sorry to break it to you. Honestly I think Notre Dame would be in BUT the two biggest issues in that scenario would be 1.) Michigan State winning the Big 10, and whether or not Notre Dame and Michigan State played. A Notre Dame win over Michigan State probably gets them in, but once again the CFP committee has stated winning conference titles matter. And in this particular situation Ole Miss wouldn’t have even won their division. So how’s Notre Dame getting passed by Ole Miss?

        Look I wanted to give you benefit of the doubt, but clearly you are just as stupid as “Mike” and/or “Eric” have made you out to be. You said you can’t just assume on this this and this because this factor goes in or this factor goes in. You say a 12-1 Vanderbilt squad would make the CFP, seems like speculating where’s your facts since all you produce is facts on that?

        Look you need to stop posting because last time I checked there’s 5 Power 5 conferences and only 4 CFP spots. You honestly believe if you had an undefeated Texas, and undefeated Ohio State and undefeated Clemson and an undefeated Southern Cal, a 12-1 Vanderbilt is getting into the CFP, you need a drug test then because in no universe is Vanderbilt making that CFP.

        Also
        I never said Alabama won 5 straight National Titles and I never said you said either, they aren’t good enough to do it. I was just twisting words like you do and avoiding questions like you do. Clearly you don’t understand hypotheticals because you only deal with facts. Yet you have no facts that a 12-1 Vanderbilt team would make the CFP, yet somehow that’s a fact (as you said NO SEC team would be left out with a 12-1 record). Yet the only SEC team you can use as proof is Alabama, and lets face it. Only way a 1 loss Alabama team is getting left out is if you have 5 undefeated teams and even then that is an EXTREME unlikely hood.

        Another thing
        Don’t go putting words in to my mouth. You’re the one that is talking about dominance. You’re the one that’s talking about number of players in the draft, you’re the one talking about SOS and how the SEC shouldn’t go outside their conference for OOC. All I did was point out how they won 7 titles in a row then lost two in a row. See when someone brings up well explain how they lost two in row, you change it to well they had 309 or w/e number you said in the NFL (started off as in the draft then became active rosters). Like whenever someone brings up a valid point you change your tune to something else.

        Finally
        I understand you hate answering questions because you are afraid of the right answer coming out. Do yourself a favor and don’t comment if you don’t want to answer questions. The fact that you believe an Ole Miss team would make the CFP over Notre Dame is beyond laughable. Clearly you know nothing about football.

        But I’ll ask it one more time

        How is Ole Miss making it over Notre Dame (since you said they would)

      • Joe
        June 10, 2016 at 4:58 pm

        Thank you Kevin. Finally, the voice of sanity.

        I don;t know how this is difficult for Jeff…

        He posted some half-wit, lame-brained, rainbows and unicorns fantasy scenario where I was to choose between Ole Miss and Notre Dame.

        I pointed out that four teams get into the playoff, not just one, so it’s never going to come down to a single team getting in without consideration of the other three teams. You only mentioned two.

        So, I went back to last year. The playoffs included Alabama from the SEC, Clemson from the ACC, Michigan State from the Big Ten, and Oklahoma from the Big 12. Now, under the current scenario, it’s going to be difficult for any conference, SEC included, to get two teams into the playoff. It could happen, but it would be a rare occasion.

        So, I took your two teams, Mississippi and Notre Dame, and placed them in last year’s playoff, taking the place of the teams that had represented their respective conferences, Alabama and Clemson.

        I feel like if I could just write this in crayon you’d be able to follow it better…

        In that scenario, which was far more realistic than just throwing two teams together and saying “which one gets in?” I said I would take a 12-1 Mississippi AND Notre Dame ahead of Michigan State. So, if anyone is in jeopardy of not making the playoff, it’s neither of the teams you mentioned.

        Again, somehow, this is hard for you.

        In your scenario, neither Mississippi nor Notre Dame are bubble teams. They just aren’t. You made up half a scenario and have ignored the fact that the other half exists. It’s a dumb concept, which is exactly why it makes sense to you… But just because you like to play this ridiculous games, doesn’t mean others care to play along.

        See, I could say, what if Mississippi is 13-0 and the SEC East ends in a tie between a 11-0-1 Tennessee and a 11-0-1 Georgia who happened to play to a thrilling 28-28 tie in Knoxville earlier in the year. Tennessee gets the tie breaker. Then Ole Miss beats Tennessee in the SEC championship game by one point on a last second field goal.

        Oklahoma wins the Big 12 with a record of 10-3. Ohio State wins the Big Ten with a record of 11-2. Utah wins the Pac 12 with a record of 10-3. Virginia Tech stumbles to the ACC crown with a 9-4 record. No non-power conference teams have remarkable records and Notre Dame has an off year, finishing 5-7, out of bowl contention.

        So, under my little made up, completely ridiculous scenario, I could argue that the SEC deserves to have not only Mississippi in the playoff, but also Georgia and perhaps Tennessee should still get in, as well. But it’s stupid because it’s never going to happen and it’s completely hypothetical. That’s why I don’t do that. It’s a dumb game and it’s pointless to even argue it because it’s not reality.

        So, look, if you have serous questions, based in reality, I’ll gladly answer them. But you don’t. I don’t even know if you know what reality is at this point.

        The SEC is the most dominant conference in college football. Never has a conference so dominated this sport and it’s not looking like it will end any time soon. This could be the golden age of the sport and it’s all because of 14 teams that call themselves the Southeastern Conference.

        You don’t have to like it. But you have to accept it, because it’s fact. And facts don’t lie.

      • Jeff W.
        June 10, 2016 at 5:32 pm

        Joe,

        Talk about needing something needing to be written in crayons. You really do need to understand the game of football. #1 Ties can no longer happen. As much as you are trying to play it off as they can they simply can’t. Notice how you changed your story again to allow yourself some escape room and you tried to come back to make a point of well I was still keeping these two teams in. So on your logic that would have been 6 teams total yet you only are leaving one out. Which comes back to the point of the CFP only allows 4 teams not 5 so which two teams are you leaving out. And here I’ll make it real easy for you 1.) Alabama, 2.) Clemson 3.) Michigan State 4.) Oklahoma 5.) Notre Dame 6.) Ole Miss, YET you’ll have some excuse in your next comment about how something was taken out of context from what you said and you meant this or that instead of owning your words

        And remember you only use “facts” how ties are facts when they no longer exist is beyond me BUT somehow for your logic that makes them facts but w/e.

        Finally to keep this short because I have places to be and people to see you always ignore questions and when you make a stupid comment you never want to go back to it. How is a 12-1 Vanderbilt team as an SEC champ as you said they would making the CFP against 4 Power 5 conference Champs that went undefeated, seriously I want to hear what dumbass logic you have to it.

        Anyways I hope you eventually understand the game of football one of these days because clearly you are the biggest idiot to ever post on a forum.

    4. Uga HATER!
      May 28, 2016 at 2:25 am

      As an Auburn fan I do not want to play 1AA teams (sorry sub division whatever). If AU feels it needs to play state schools, South Alabama, UAB and Troy would walk to the Plains. However I would rather give State (my Alma mater) the money before Wofford or The Citidel.

    5. Dirk H.
      May 28, 2016 at 6:52 am

      Tuskegee and Morehouse College move up to FCS, and join the SWAC, and maybe get to play Auburn, Alabama, Troy, South Alabama, ect…

    6. Matho
      May 28, 2016 at 9:45 am

      sorry but the soon the better NCAA bans FBS teams playing against FCS schools the better! It’s starting to become a joke. Yes, it’s fun when a FCS school wins especially BUT that’s rare!

      • Joe
        May 29, 2016 at 4:36 pm

        Why would the NCAA ban these games? These games fund smaller programs… they will never ban them. Now, conferences might, but the NCAA never will.

      • Day
        May 29, 2016 at 5:53 pm

        There’s nothing wrong with a P5 playing an FCS, apparently you enjoy them when they win so what’s the problem. A lot of FCS vs P5 games are close as well, exciting to the end I think.

    7. May 29, 2016 at 3:00 pm

      WHY?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    8. Rocky
      June 2, 2016 at 3:37 am

      Someone here stated “Auburn has a neutral site game with Oregon in 2019 and Auburn is currently trying to get out of that game”.

      How is Auburn trying to get out of that game? Citation please. Note the game was scheduled less than a year ago.

      Oregon-Auburn scheduled the game since Texas A&M recently cancelled a 2018-19 home-and-home with the Ducks. So if Auburn cancels, then add that to Georgia previously cancelling a home-and-home with Oregon. Three recent cancellations of the SEC vs Oregon. Spineless.

    9. Bob Markey II
      June 2, 2016 at 1:20 pm

      So, once again, Auburn finds a way to schedule a lesser level team, when Troy University is just an hour or so away and ready to play, any time. Auburn and Alabama have now played every team in Troy’s conference numerous times – sending millions of dollars out of state – and now just about every FCS team in the region, but simply cannot find a date for the Trojans. Pathetic.

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