I’ll take UVA and 33……..
Virginia? Out of all of the schools out there how in the world does Virginia get a pass of playing in a neutral site game. Not sure about this one, may be they will be better in 4 years or you can just count this one as a slaughter.
There is a bit of history between Georgia and Virginia, but I agree, it’s an odd game to throw Virginia in.
Once again, though, Georgia and the SEC continue to win at scheduling these Power 5 out of conference games early in the year when the Big Ten is opening with teams from the MAC or whatever… Of course, the Big Ten is also losing those games.
Ohio State over Oklahoma, Michigan over Colorado (don’t act like that’s any worse than Virginia), Nebraska over Oregon, Michigan State over Notre Dame, Wisconsin over LSU…I mean, seriously? Not every B1G OOC game was a winner, to say the least, but at least attempt some intellectual honesty here. I’ll take that resume against any other conference’s.
You’d take a resume that includes losses to Western Michigan, North Dakota State and Illinois State?
Look part of being a major conference is winning those games, top to bottom. The Big Ten is losing those games at a rate only exceeded by the Big 12. The SEC doesn’t lose those games. In fact, the SEC is the only major conference that hasn’t lost to an FCS team this year. The Big Ten has lost twice. And we’re not talking the bottom of the Big Ten here, we’re talking Iowa, a team that was in the Big Ten Championship last year. Northwestern was a bowl team last year. The top and middle of the Big Ten can’t win the games they are supposed to win, so you can’t really take them seriously as a major conference.
Let’s just sweep South Alabama over Mississippi State and Southern Miss over Kentucky under the rug.
And let’s act like NDSU isn’t actually a great time on a 6 game FBS win streak. There are many great FCS teams, but did you notice how you had to add in “this year” to make it true? Otherwise we’d need to go all the way back to November to find an SEC-FCS loss.
North Dakota State is a good team.
But now you are changing the argument. SEC haters love to say that since the SEC doesn’t play nine conference games their scheduling is somehow lacking when compared to the Big Ten and Big 12 who do.
However, those of us who realize the SEC is clearly best have always understood that simply belonging to a Power 5 conference doesn’t make you a good football team and not belonging to a Power 5 conference doesn’t make you bad.
When Tennessee struggled against Appalachian State earlier this year, the comments were all about how Tennessee should never struggle with Appy State. Nobody cared that Appy was 11-2 last year and returned 17 starters. Appy wasn’t a Power 5 team so all that mattered was that Tennessee had a tough time beating them.
Now, when Western Michigan beats TWO Big Ten teams in three weeks or North Dakota State beats Iowa, the argument switches to how good those teams are.
You can’t have it both ways.
The perception is that Power 5 teams have many advantages over non Power 5 teams. And that’s true. But that doesn’t always make them better. Coaching, talent on the field, and other factors come into play. That is the reality. Knowledgeable fans understand the reality that Alabama plays a tougher conference schedule in eight games than Ohio State will play in nine.
That’s just the facts.
You have some good points and other non-good points. It should be both ways, but Tennessee was very much overhyped to begin the season. App State being a good team or no, UT was overvalued (and on the flipside, Arkansas undervalued) but that’s why they play the games.
App State is a good team, Western is a good team, and NDSU is a good team but that has nothing to do with a 14 team league only playing an 8 game schedule which goes for not only the SEC but also the ACC. Or if you’re not going to have a 9-game league schedule, set-up a permanent ACC vs SEC challenge like in basketball and match up teams there every year, even leaving your traditional games such as Clemson-SC and FSU-UF and round robining all of the others.
The whole idea behind playing nine conference games, from the people who love that sort of thing, is that it is somehow more difficult. But, it’s not. You can’t say that playing ten Power 5 teams is necessarily more difficult than playing eight. It matters who the nine are and who the eight are. But, the people who push the nine conference game myth think that just because you play Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, and Rutgers that is more difficult than playing Mississippi, Auburn, Arkansas, Florida, and Georgia. It’s not.
Plus, add to it, every team in the SEC will send guys to the NFL in most every year. That’s just not the case in other leagues. There are weeks where you aren’t playing against any NFL caliber talent. You don’t get to take a week off in the SEC, or at best, it’s rare.
And besides, the playoff committee has already decided that quality of schedule matters, not the number of games you play against Power 5 teams.
My point exactly, if teams like Oklahoma are losing to Houston & Iowa is losing to N. Dakota St & Tennessee is having to go down to the wire with App St, wheres the argument that you have to play 9 teams in your conference to make it tougher? There is none, I am not trying to disagree or claim how right I am, its just facts. Some of these smaller schools are not cupcakes, they are not guaranteed wins. They can beat you, at your house, take your money, then laugh at you while their getting back on their plane or bus & say thanks! In my opinion teams like App St, N.Dakota St, Richmond, Jvill St, Portland St, W.Michigan & a few others need more respect because this is not ending anytime soon & these upsets have been going on for years & will keep happening. Just because the BIG is no longer playing FCS does not mean they won’t get beat by a MAC school or USA, just ask the Big-12.
It sure is convenient to look at the B1G bottom feeders when comparing P5 oppenents and stack them up against middle of the road SEC teams. Playing Purdue, Rutgers (who recently swept a home and home with Arkansas), Maryland, and Indiana (who recently beat Mizzou the year they went to the SEC championship) should be compared to playing Vandy, South Carolina, Kentucky and Mizzou. I contend both of those sets of 4 teams are cake walks.
Sure the SEC’s 8/9 P5 teams they play are good, but for the most part aren’t as good as the most of the B1G’s 10 P5 teams. That extra game vs. a P5 team (no matter who that team is) sure beats all these gigantic cupcakes the SEC schedule (late in the year might I add) like Presbyterian, the Citadel, etc. Just look Bama’s schedule compared to OSU’s this year top to bottom and you’ll see the difference. The B1G East, ACC Coastal and PAC 12 North are all better than the SEC West this year, which hurts your argument even more.
The SEC needs to buck up and play 9 conference games + a P5 in out of conference. They also need to man up and play some true home and home series against quality opponents. These “neutral site games” in your backyards are a joke. Too chicken to play anyone worth while on their own turf. Until then, keep trying to hide behind your little SEC shield.
Iowa is NOT a Big Ten bottom feeder.
They were in the Big Ten Championship last year.
Well, on second thought, you’re right. The Big Ten is so far down that even the teams in the Big Ten Championship are oftentimes ‘bottom feeders.’
The schools in the SEC begin the season with the most difficult schedules in the country and they end the season with the most difficult schedules in the country. The Big Ten starts out with easy games so their conference can build up strength… but they end up losing games to Western Michigan and Illinois State, so they actually hurt themselves. It’s starting to look like the OCC is the tough part of every Big Ten team’s schedule and the cupcakes come in conference play. No wonder they want nine conference games. You don’t have tough games against beasts like Western Michigan in conference play… only games against Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, and the mighty Northwestern!
And, again, the SEC has played plenty of home-and-home series in the last five years. The SEC has proven they aren’t afraid to play anyone, anywhere.
Not just they, they have proven that far more often than not, they’ll win.
Joe, you a a freaking idiot.
At least your mother likes me.
good lord Georgia….enough with the boring ass ACC teams already
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Seems great for BYU.
When BYU needed to change 2019 date to make another series work, Virginia moved 2020 road date to 2023 but did not ask for an additional game.
Seems like this may have arisen due to Bronco wanting no game this decade. Surprised BYU got an extra home game out of it (and now the first home game in the series)
Tom Holmoe is taking lessons from the Arizona AD.
Sounds like he should’ve taken lessons from the Colorado State AD, this is pretty much a break-even for Virginia.
Article has been corrected, apologies for the mistakes. Was composed in an airport on my phone.
Thanks as always, Kevin.
I have read unconfirmed speculation elsewhere that Virginia will play the extra game at BYU in lieu of paying Bronco’s $1.2M contract buyout.
Wow….Virginia must have really needed to free up that 2019 slot because they sure paid for that change.
Bronco being the former BYU head coach, he voiced he didn’t want to play some of the guys he coached.
This seems like a really lopsided agreement. BYU gets two home games, UVA one, and BYU does not owe Virginia a guarantee for either home game. The only thing I’m getting out of this is that BYU still thinks they can join a P5 conference, and don’t want to tie themselves down into too many more “guarantee” games.
It’s believed this deal was made in lieu of Virginia paying Bronco Mendenhall’s contract buyout.
Great series! I see ODU taking one of those.
Me too! This will actually be a really good series for both of them.
What happened to the Stanford-Virginia series? This seems to replace it
It’s in the article.
Who cares about this matchup. They are 2 of the worst teams in their respective conferences. This would be a great Hoops matchup, but football? I don’t think so.
Indiana: worst team in the B1G or best team in the SEC East? You make the call.
Have to agree with PeteF3, NutSac you’re maybe more of a NutSac then you realize. Good game for so many reason. These two teams are from the ACC and B1G, where they are trying to build legit schedules.
Here me out everyone, this post is a tad long, but broken into paragraphs so easily readable. The point of it is not to point out supposed conference superiority, but a desire for better games and a batter product for our beloved college football.
PeteF3, that is funny. Sniffy, I think you are looking at it the wrong way.
I think these types of games give way to less speculation and more analysis. It is always easy to say that, The #3 team in my conference would beat the #6 team in yours.”
Here is my take:
The reason why more of these games need to be played is for the committee to have more subjective material to analyze. (Though wether or not they do, that is speculative).
SEC East Champ Mizzou lost to Indy and got stomped at home by Georgia. Georgia also lost to (6-5) Florida and (6-6) USC.
So it is fair to say that Indy could have pulled off a similar (6-6) year in the SEC East along with their 2 non-con wins. They would just need 3 more wins out of 7 against the rest of the East and A&M and Arky from the West.
Or, to make it easier. By TCU scheduling a decent, but not spectacular squad Minnesota squad, they were bumped ahead of Baylor, even though they lost straight up to the Bears.
The reason being the committee got to review a broader body of work.
Too much emphasis on being unbeaten and even more so on the mythical conference superiority.
FSU finished 13-0 and were mocked because of the perceived weakness of the ACC.
In my opinion FSU finished 13-0 because they faced down UF and OSU squads, and the enigma of enigma’s, ND. Either way, no one else had 11P5 teams on their regular season schedule and 3 P5’s non-conference to boot.
Had it been another season, I do not believe FSU, nor many other teams would have been able to beat Florida, Notre Dame and Oklahoma State in addition to their eight other regular season games regardless of conference.
It was luck, and a lot of Jameis, for good or ill.
I would like to see all teams run a similar gauntlet of a regular conference schedule, plus at least 2 P5″s. Some detractors will whine about the blue-bloods just playing Wake and Vandy.
If it becomes policy that 2 P5’s are required and after a season or two when everyone ascertains that going 11-2 and being invited to the playoff is still viable, we hopefully will see a marked improvement in non-con schedules.
I meant to say, it was a lot of luck, a lot of Jameis, and that schedule. There was no room to doubt they put their cards on the table and played all comers. That is the point.
And, I think they would have been exposed way earlier than in the first round against OU.
@JackStriker – I agree in most to what you have written. Whereas the Indiana vs. Virginia match-up in itself may not be so interesting or important, it is another gauge to rank/judge Conferences and their teams against other Conferences and their teams. When a P5 Conference team is only playing eight conference games and then slating three of their four non-conference games against the “Little Sisters of the Blind & the Poor” really truly nothing is learned for ranking purposes. These “tune-up” games are important for a team to prepare themselves for their conference games and opponents of major conferences, but should not be viewed or counted towards any ranking consideration. An example of frustration would be how a team from say the SEC will play a team for the Big South Conference late in the season and we as fans are to take that seriously? Come on that’s a joke.
“As I have previously noted, like IU, the University of Virginia is one of the premier public universities from one of the top conferences in the country.”
I guess that’s technically a true statement.
Please don’t start writing articles like this. Stick to scheduling.
Whenever there is scheduling news, Kevin, Amy and the gang cover it. This is reasonable content for a slow week.
Thanks for the great article Amy,
Agreed,enjoyed this quite a bit.
My only question is why Georgia Tech is not considered here.
They used the US News Rankings and took the Top 10 FBS-playing Universities. The next few would have been: Wake Forest, Michigan, North Carolina, Boston College, Georgia Tech, Illinois, Wisconsin, Penn St., Florida, Miami (FL), and Washington.
Because Georgia Tech is not ranked among the Top 25 schools according to USN. Therefore, they do not qualify for this list despite fielding an FBS school.
Re-read the intro again to see the qualifications for being included in this list.
I would find a bottom ranked list interesting as well.
US News doesn’t really rank top-to-bottom. After the top schools, they have Tier 2 and Tier 3, and those aren’t ranked, they’re just all in a bunch.
If you have another slow week, could you expand this to a top 25 list?
Great article and thanks for taking notice of the rivalries between some of the best schools in the country. Northwestern is deliberately scheduling more games against peer schools that share this academic commitment. Our students want to compete both in class and on the field.
No Boston College, No Georgia Tech. I like the premise of the article just don’t agree with all the schools in the article
Apparently you didn’t read the intro to the chart:
“Of the Top 25 schools in the USN National University Rankings, 10 of them field FBS football teams.”
Neither Boston College nor Georgia Tech are ranked in the top 25 school listing, and therefore are not included on this list.
Read the article again, and follow the link to USN to find out where BC and GT rank.
Great concept but completely bogus rankings after the obvious top two, ND and USC. Vanderbilt, Duke and Virginia all have historically weak teams but enjoy high rankings here because they only play each other. Next to Rice, they are clearly the three worst teams on this list by any plausible measure. Only the most ignorant fool would say that Vandy has had a better football team over the years than UCLA! If these two schools had played each other for the past 50 years, I guarantee you that UCLA would have won at least 48 of the 50 games (and the Bruins would have been favored to win all 50, but I’m assuming a couple of upsets).
Here is the correct list, with the schools also divided into three very obvious tiers:
[Big gap here]
[Another gap here]
8-9. Duke-Virginia (take your pick)
As Eric the Wildcat pointed out, Northwestern deserves credit for going out of its way to schedule these games. Since 2012, NU has won five of six (with two other games cancelled), beating Notre Dame, Stanford, Cal, Duke and Vanderbilt while losing the return match vs. Cal. Sadly, after losing to NU in both 2010 and 2012, the cowardly Commodores bought their way out of rematches in 2013 and 2014, in order to play football weaklings Austin Peay and UMass instead.
you need to re-read the article, they didn’t start with fb rankings they started with USN rankings of top 25 schools from academic perspectives, then identified those with an FBS fb team, of which there was only 10, then ranked those 10 by the records against each other.
No Michigan? NU is my favorite as my alma mater, but didn’t beat Michigan a top 20 school.
Michigan is ranked (USNWR) 29 – not in the top 25, as per the stated qualifications
Hard to believe neither West Point, Navy, nor Air Force are included in this list of top “brain schools”
You misread the article.
Actually, Grady has a point. It’s clear that these rankings are derived from a set of National University Rankings that do not include the federal academies, I think Grady’s observation makes sense. Just because the Air Force Academy, West Point, and Annapolis choose not to participate in those ranking systems doesn’t mean they’re not among the very best of collegiate institutions in this country.
Grady makes a good point, but the academies didn’t choose to not be ranked by USN, USN excludes the academies because of their political nomination and appointment criteria. They would certainly be top 25 otherwise as they are in other publications
In what world is Cal a #20 ranked university? It is the #1 public university in the country. Are all of the rest of these private?
Oh, please. The only one of those schools that belongs in a “Brain Bowl” is Stanford.
I root for Stanford, but your comment is laughable.
Great article! How about a Brain Bowl All Star team based on 1st team, 2nd, etc. All-Americans?? Hope to see it here!
Not sure where these academic ranking come from, but of the ranking service MOST used in academics, the ARWU, the top 10 ranked universities in the WORLD for 2016 are:
8. Cal Tech
10. University of Chicago
Notre Dame? 201 – 300 (when you’re *that* low, they start grouping by 100’s, lol)
Calling Notre Dame an “academic institution” is just plain embarrassing. The ONLY two FBS schools in the Top 10 of academics are Stanford & Cal.