What? Not one comment, ahhhh yes. It must be that 9th conference game against the mighty Jayhawks of Kansas which is a powerful P5 team & will give the Baylor Bears all they can handle. Got it!
That’s why no one is saying anything. SFA will be a far more difficult game than half of Baylor’s Big 12 opponents.
I thought the Big 12 was saying teams needed at least 1 P5 level opponent. It’s annoying but understandable that some previously filled slates may be grandfathered, and it wouldn’t be shocking if the Big 12 found BYU to be an acceptable option (both given the general strength of that program, and the fact that other conferences have similar exceptions… some even have crazier ones, considering Army a P5 level opponent, for example), but I don’t think there is any real argument to support UTSA, Rice, or SFA as being P5 level.
They are, so their 2019 slate will likely change.
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This is a cute article, I would’ve kept out A&M vs UTSA since this is their 1st ever meeting.
If you watched the 2014 Georgia Southern @ Georgia Tech game or better yet, if you attended the game, then you would know the ACC referees took the game out of the players hands with a terrible reversal of an ON THE FIELD call (requires indisputable evidence…it’s still being disputed). Georgia Southern was the better team that day and still has the more dynamic roster. Thank you Paul Johnson and the Tech AD for not being scared (UGAg) and rescheduling the Eagles…GS won’t leave it in question this go around. It would be great for the state if GS and Tech continued to schedule a game (maybe a H&H once Paulson Stadium is expanded to 30k) every other year. Athletically, as of late, the two schools are closer to peers than big brother-little brother.
Georgia has played Georgia Southern six times since 1992, Georgia Tech only once. I don’t think Georgia is scared of GS.
Interesting that 5 of those 6 times were when Georgia Southern had 63 scholarships. The 6th game was a carry over from GS’s FCS days and Georgia elected to move the game from 2016 to 2015 probably because they didn’t want an additional year of FBS recruiting for GS. Georgia was gifted that win last year and every dawg fan knows it. For both parties, it is understood that Georgia no longer wants any part in scheduling GS and frankly that’s fine by me.
Don’t worry Kevin Kelly, that’s just GS non-sense talk. They told GSU that they’d never beat GS – but in the just the second meeting (last year) GSU gave them their worst defeat in the history of Paulson High School County Stadium, The glory days of GS are behind them. The newsflash to GS is that they are the #4 team in the state of Georgia and they think that they are #1.
Georgia Tech got up big in that game and then let up and allowed Georgia Southern back in, the Eagles were far from the better team that day.
Georgia Southern’s coach was on his way out and focused on a million dollar salary…way to go. How’d that bowl game work out for the mighty Panthers? Let’s compare some numbers for a minute…17-53 (129th in FBS) vs. 375-200-10 (14th in FBS)…0 D1 National Championships vs. 6 D1 National Championships (most all-time)…0 D1 Conference Titles vs. 11 D1 Conference Titles. WHEW! I can certainly understand why a Panther fan (those exist?) would cling like hell to that win against Georgia Southern! Run along now, let us men get back to it.
GS has never beat UGA – GS has never beat GT – GS is 50/50 against GSU.
So your excuse is that GS got pounded at home by GSU cause your coach was dreaming about a real job? Really? That’s all it took for the mighty Beagles to lose at home? A coach’s daydream? All that tripe that GS spews about GSU and you got pounded in just the second effing year by a five year old football team? Fact is that Richt got fired because he almost lost to GS so that should tell you about how little respect there is for the GS product. So maybe GS needs to realize that they may start to fall behind KSU or Mercer. You guys have such an incredible false sense of entitlement from all those Pee-Wee league trophies. Probably ought to go on back to FCS Pee-Wee league! How about that Capt GAyTAy?
The Real GSU has played UGA and GT once with equal scholarships. Do you understand that having 22 less scholarships is a disadvantage? Once the playing field was made even, the Real GSU lost by a combined 10 points in their first outings with 85 scholarships. Again, I appreciate GT rescheduling the Real GSU unlike UGAg (I bet you’re a UGAg fan before a GAy St fan). Do you understand that when a head coach does not prep their team for a game that the team is unprepared? Big concepts here. Do you have any facts or just opinions? Richt was on the hot seat at the start of that season and the season before that…try to keep up. The fact that you recognize KSU and Mercer says a lot about where you view GAy St. Pee-Wee trophies…you’re talking about Division 1 National Championships. Do you understand that prior to the College Football Playoff, the FCS Playoff was the highest form of a college football playoff in existence? Oh but computers picking two teams worked out every time. The Real GSU should go back to FCS? You mean the Real GSU with the 18-7 FBS record (.720)? How about GAy St with the 7-30 FBS record (.189). This is too easy man, c’mon. (A) Why would GAy St field a football team and (B) why would ANYONE be a fan???? LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!
Southern has never beaten Georgia and never will.
The “REAL” GSU just beat the GaSo clown big talkers AGAIN! GAyTAy!!!
So GaSo now has a LOSING record against GSU along with
never beating UGA and GT! So just go STFU !!!!!!!!!!
what about the Brigham Young-Utah State game or the Notre Dame-Navy game?
Neither BYU nor USU are a Power 5. And Notre Dame and Navy aren’t in the same state.
Matt probably meant to say the BYU-Utah game. Utah is a P5, but BYU is not. The summary would read something like this:
When: Saturday, Sept. 10, 5:30pm MT
Where: Rice-Eccles Stadium, Salt Lake City, UT
All-Time Series Leader: Utah, 58-34-4 (62.5%)
Last-Five: Utah, 5-0 (100%)
Utah has dominated its little brother, BYU, over the last 13 meetings (10-3, 77%). And they will certainly do so again this fall.
how would BYU qualify as a “Big” brother?
Bill, Utah would be the big brother
Someone asked that on Twitter, FBSchedules replied “BYU generally considered P5 so not included.”
BYU fits the P5 requirement for scheduling for most if not all conferences. The SEC looks at BYU as a P5…last time I checked the SEC is the premier program in College Football.
good article ….but i would say Georgia Southern has a much better chance of beating Georgia Tech than many of the games you have ranked as more likely. I don’t think very many people would be surprised is Georgia Southern wins that game.
Utah had to be invited to a conference to be considered P5. BYU did it on their own.
BYU is considered by some to be a P5 “for scheduling purposes.” But we’re not actually a P5, since we don’t belong to a P5 conference. That’s why it’s so important for us to get into the Big XII…the fate and viability of our football program rests on it. If we don’t get in and become an actual P5, our future looks no better than that of New Mexico State.
By that thinking, Toledo would also be considered a Power 5 Power Team, since it can beat 1/2 or more of teams from Power 5 Conferences…
Little brother = going on every web site possible to talk about how Utah should really be a big brother
I think ECU is NC State’s big brother when it comes to football.
ECU has not only won 3 out of 5, but 9 out of the last 15.
Go Pirates! Argh!
What about Penn State vs Pitt this year?
Pitt is P5.
PSU is B1G/Power 5 also
I don’t think many Ohio State fans see any MAC schools as “little brother.” The only school that would make sense to have that designation would be U of Cincinnati.
Toledo, Ohio and BGSU, Ohio are both vastly better than Cincinnati, Ohio !!! As is Ohio Bobcats
Where is Alabama-Auburn? Auburn is the ultimate “Little Brother” who lives to beat Big Brother, Alabama. Alabama lives to win national championships; Auburn lives to beat Alabama.
When they say little brother, I think they actually mean LITTLE BROTHER! Auburn is not a little brother to Bama, same conference, same league, Auburn has done their fair share of butt whooping on Bama in the past. If that was the case then the article would have Michigan vs Michigan St.
FSU is also UF’s big brother.
1) Baylor must like the State of Utah, they have the BYU series in ’21, ’22 and then one with Utah in ’23, ’24
2) BYU is now considered a P5 opponent by SEC, ACC, B1G and B12 (P12 doesn’t have OOC SoS requirement … yet)
Yep BYU isn’t ND but they are the best independent in the West and I have always considered them a P5 program. So that’s good news for their school that every conference is treating them like a P5…
I assumed that Baylor and BYU would play–Baylor needing to beef up their schedule and BYU needing teams. Glad that it’s now in writing.
Great series, still an idiot-led league
Love it! Been wanting this game for a while!
The Baylor-Texas Tech game must be moving back to campus. Otherwise, Baylor will only have five home games in 2023.
Wouldn’t it be funny if BYU joins the Big 12 before 2021.
BYU should join the Big 12 yes, but they’d still compete as a football independent through 2020. I’m projecting Boise State, Memphis, Houston, Temple and SMU also joining the Big 12 soon, with the American schools beginning Big 12 football competition right away and the Western schools playing a few seasons as football independents until moving into Big 12 football in 2021, at which point BYU’s scheduled games against Boise State and Baylor get absorbed into that season’s conference schedule. Granted, one other 2021 game for BYU will have to be moved to like 2023 due to the move to a 9-game conference schedule, but BYU will get used to the Big 12.
Strike that, FB Indy through 2022.
Several of the BYU future football series have outs if they join a P5 conference. I don’t recall which ones were revealed through FOIA requests–but there were at least a few.
The subset of agreements with buyouts are very similar to the subset of agreements that are with non-P5s. Even Boise has the out for either program going to a P5 conference.
That would be great but I don’t see the B12 expanding west. I think BYU should try to get an agreement to ply 3 games per year against the P 12 and B 12. That would give them 6 games, the make another agreement with Notre Dame for a season ending game every year when the other conferences are playing their CCG. They can fill in the other five games against quality opponents and have a strong SOS every year. That would make them more attractive to bowl games and the CFB play offs. I don’t see them joining the MWC or the AAC.
Baptist vs Mormons…..Classic!
The Big 12 needs to just add BYU and Cincinnati already and this can be a conference game.
A good series for both programs.
The Big10 and Big 12 are requiring teams play an OC game with at least one team from a P5 conference. Most of the PAC 12 does this already. Basically a 10 game schedule with P5 teams. In the ACC in 2016 only 5 teams play will play 10 games with P5 teams (Clemson FSU UNC Pitt and VT) In the SEC only UGA plays 10 games with P5 teams. ND only plays 9 games with P5 teams.
I hope beginning this year the playoff committee starts taking the 10 game regular season games with P5 teams into consideration as well as the CCG, meaning 11 games for the teams in the CCG..
Tully even though you are right about 10 power 5 games for the Big’s, you fail to mention that the SEC and ACC require members to play at least one OOC Power 5 opponent. Was this an over site or just a hater trying to dis the SEC? I wish the SEC would move to a 9 game schedule but even if they don’t the strength of schedule for the SEC dwarfs most others year in and year out. Alabama. Auburn, Florida and LSU can also claim something that only 2 others (FSU and TOSU) can claim over the past 10 years. How many national titles have the Pac 12 and Big 12 won? ZERO
Nope not an oversight or a hater… I see the trend is 10 games with P5 teams. The Big 10, Big 12 and PAC 12 all play 9 game conference schedules. These conferences consist of 14 teams, 10 teams and 12 teams. The PAC 12 does not have a rule requiring an OOC game with a P5 team, yet almost every PAC 12 team plays at least one OOC game with a P5 team. In 2016 of the PAC 12 teams only WSU will not play an OOC game with a P5 team. And for me I do not care if WSU Wake Forest Kansas Illinois play a P5 team OOC, I do not see them being playoff contenders
The ACC and SEC have 8 game regular seasons, and now are moving to require one OOC game with a P5 team. In 2016 5 teams in the ACC and one team in the SEC will play 10 games with P5 teams. In the ACC chances are the teams which could make a playoff run are among those five. Boston College will only play 8 games with P5 teams.
The NCAA is not going to mandate how conferences schedule,
Given we are talking about independents, and conference with 10, 12 and 14 teams I am suggesting the Playoff Committee use the 10 games with P5 teams in the regular season as a factor, just the same way they should factor in the Big 12 and ND fo not play a CCG. In fact the Big 12 has an extra bye week for 4-6 teams a year. That extra bye week can be an advantage and not playing a 13th game in 14 weeks is also a an advantage. Chances are the conference champions of the ACC, Big 10 and PAC 12 will play 11 games with P5 teams including the CCG.
I do see a 9 game schedule with P5 teams as having an extra bye week. Especially if every year 3 of the four OOC games are all home games with non P5 teams, you know “payoff games”.
In 2016 of the sixty five P5 programs only 27 will not play 10 games with P5 teams. Yes 24 of those are in the ACC and SEC,and ND. If I am on the playoff committee from the PAC 12. Big 10 and even the Big 12 I am making that an issue, just like in 2014 the committee use the lack of a playoff game to keep a Big 12 team out and let tOSU in.
It does nor matter to me how a team gets to 10 games with P5 teams For FSU, Clemson, VT Pitt UNC and UGA they get there with 2 OOC games with P5 teams. At this time in 2017 and 2019 Florida and UGA will be the only teams in the SEC playing 10 regular season games with P5 teams.
The different conferences are going to do what works best for each conference, I think a better question when looking at the playoffs is which programs are not playing at least 10 regular season games with P5 teams. (11 counting CCGS)
Baylor’s OOC scheduling has been been mocked for several years and rightfully so.They are not adding OOC games with P5 teams because they want to. The trend is forcing that change.
UGA a correction to my reply comment. In 2016 GT will also play two OOC games with P5 teams. This means in 2016 only 26 of 65 P5 teams will play 9 or fewer games with P5 teams.
A quick look at 2017 shows again six teams in the ACC will play 10 games with P5 teams, and in the SEC UGA and Florida will play 10 games with P5 teams.
In 2017 in the Big 12 every team will play at least 10 games with P5 teams.
It is very possible as soon as 2017 less than 20 teams will play less than 10 regular season games with P5 teams.
If I am on the playoff committee and the teams from my conference played 11 games including the CCG with P5 teams, yeah I am going to make that an issue compared to teams which only played 10.
When you are a team being considered for a play off spot and one loss can be to many and two losses seems to most certainly be to many, playing only 9 regular season games with P5 teams is an advantage. Playing only 10 games with P5 teams is an advantage over teams playing 11 games with P5 teams. In 2014 FSU played 12 games with P5 teams, counting the CCG before the playoffs
Blah Blah Blah count the Banners. Baylor plays chumps, they do not have any. Alabama. Florida, Auburn and LSU play each other, have many, Beat the SEC then talk all the crap you want Tully Ohio St and FSU are the only dogs in this fight as they have beaten SEC teams in games that count
The playoff committee needs to start seriously penalizing schools wh aren’t scheduling at least 10 regular season games against Power 5 competition. Seriously—SEC, atop scheduling cream puffs and FCS teams in November.
Ryan should we start counting teams like Houston, Cincinnati, BYU as Power 5? I don’t know the answer but it is a fair question. In some seasons Memphis, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois, etc. are solid teams. How do you gauge who is worthy? Any of those schools I typed are better than Maryland, Rutgers. Wake Forest, Illinois and Vanderbilt on a year to year basis. So tell me your plan
Are we sure this isn’t a fledgling BYU-Hawai’i football team that Baylor is scheduling??
Ha ha ha! Or, may be the real announcement lost in the shuffle is that there will be a new BYU-Nauvoo University.
Baylor thought they were signing up Incarnate Word/Utah. Baylor will never be in the national playoff picture.
Have any game dates leaked out on this?
This would be an exciting high scoring affair with two of the top offenses in the NCAA.
good to see Baylor finally making an effort
Way to beef up the schedule Baylor. Just what the committee is looking for.
Shut the hell up! TexasStateUni is a great stuff ,making strides in football. Won’t be surprised if by 2020 gives the bears a run for their money. You guys have only been up the last couple of years. Don’t forget your history of old. There’s a reason people chanted worse than baylor!
Well, here’s hoping that last slot for 2019-2022 is used wisely. I know there’s talk of a neutral site matchup, but how much better would it be if they scheduled 2 home/home series with middle-or-better power-5 teams? You have that fancy new stadium! Why not show it off? I mean, ok, some teams might think it’s more attractive to travel to Houston/Arlington/San Antonio, but Waco is still in the (recruit-heavy) state of Texas, and plenty of college towns are smaller and in the middle of nowhere. It can’t be that tough to make this happen.
Shoot for Cal or Stanford or the Arizona schools or Iowa or Minnesota or Virginia Tech or Pitt or Louisville or Missouri or South Carolina or the Mississippi schools… or heck, play an early season game agains Oregon or USC or Florida State or Clemson or Ohio State or whatever. Let’s be honest, if you win one of those kinds of games you’re on the fast track to the playoffs, and if you lose one but are good enough to win out, that kind of loss is forgiven, especially if it was early in the season.
yesss! eat em up cats
Baylor the king of garbage scheduling.
Where is the thumbs up button
Chill guys. Texas State is growing so fast and getting more competitive every year. By 2021 TXST will be in another conference and their play will be in another level.
Despite this season, it’s our time to shine. EatemUp Go Cats Go!
I don’t understand you Baylor people a couple of good seasons and suddenly you’re too good for people? People used to chant “Worse than Baylor!” does that not humble yall a little bit?? Texas State is a program on the rise smack dab in central Texas. By 2021 the 500million dollars that are in the works for upgrading all the BobcatFacilities as well as building a 120million dollar new engineering building. Y’all know Texas State is the 4th largest university in Texas? Behind only UT, A&M, and UH? Texas State expects to get to 45,000 students in 10 years. Currently sitting on 38,000. San Marcos is also the fastes growing city in the country. By 2021 Texas State will be more than just a worthy opponent, it’ll be one you guys will have to prepare for! Not to mention it’s a good opportunity for you guys to try get some t-shirt fans away from the longhorns who are only 20 minutes away. That’ll be 2 games y’all play in their vicinity! Damn it use your brains before you speak! Most of yall went to Baylor so act like you can think critically. We’re college educated!
I think people are giving way too much credit to a school that “may” be more in five years than they are now. I just don’t see the SBC growing in stature in upcoming years. Conference USA and the SBC are basically irrelevant in the college football world right now.
So Baylor has yet to do anything to really raise their stature. They are taking the K St. approach and hoping for an unbeaten season. It’s their only hope.
Art Briles just doesn’t seem to want to take on any of the big boys.
Wow, and I will win the lottery bu 2020 because I am buying more lottery tickets. Typical Baylor thinking.
Go Bobcats!! EAT GREEDY! Ready to kick some Baylor butt!
Baylor will suck by then. Poor scheduling by Texas State.
If the inevitable decline for Baylor takes hold then Baylor just cancel this series and add moreIncarnate Word or Little Sisters of the Poor. Baylor, your time in the sun is rapidly coming to end and another 30 years of irrelevancy awaits you.
Baylor (Briles) has scheduled horribly in the past, but it looks like the AD is trying to rectify that, adding home-and-homes with Utah and Duke as well as scheduling the neutral field game with Arkansas.
Any update on the potential Cal-Baylor game in Australia for 2016? In June it was said the idea was dead. But in July, it was reported the game is still in discussion.
With the recently announced Arkansas game, Baylor’s OOC schedule for 2019 will not have a FCS program on it. And Baylor still has OOC slots open for 2020-22. Don’t be surprised if a P5 shows up the schedule for every one of those seasons..
If the Cal game happens it is likely Baylor will end up with a P5 OOC game on its schedule every season onward.
But for 2015, even if the Bears go undefeated I don’t see how their OOC schedule (SMU-Rice-Lamar) will benefit the Bears. Unless so many other teams falter, the Bears will not be deserving of a playoff spot.
This is Baylor’s time to shine, new stadium on the water, Texas & Oklahoma are down right now, high speed offense, let them enjoy this! Not sure what will happen once the BIG-12 gets good again but since Nebraska has left it has not been the same.
As far as Baylor’s time to shine, we’ll see what TCU has to say about that. Horned Frogs with home field advantage. And the K-State game is on Snyder’s Field.
I thought it was a joke when I heard about Incarnate Word. The problem is that Briles’ ego is involved. He repeatedly claimed that a big 12 title is all a school needs to make the final 4 and even though that’s been disproven, he refuses to add a Cal, Tennessee, Stanford, Oregon, VaTech, Arkansas, ole miss – some solid team. Only having 3 nonconf (vs title game confs having 4) hurts, but it’s gotta be done. During the SWC days in 80s and early 90s, BU played Nebraska, OU and UGa that I recall. I recall JJ Joe and Melvin Bonner having a great game against GaTech for a BU win in 92.
It is funny that people who clearly know nothing about college football talk about BU “going back to being the worst team in college football” as if they occupied that spot for decades. BU was the worst team in college football for 3 yrs. Morriss came in and cleaned up the mess – and it was a disaster – Steele left. He just couldn’t quite get the team over the hump in ’06. Briles took over a well-run program. While Morriss wishes he’d stayed at Kentucky, BU fans appreciate what he did.