Bad, bad, bad deal for Michigan here.
The final game previously in the series was at Notre Dame. So why is the series restarting at Notre Dame?
In 2018, Michigan will face Notre Dame, Michigan State, and Ohio State all on the road, and their home schedule will look about like it does in 2016, very weak.
In 2019, Michigan will face Notre Dame, Michigan State, and Ohio State at home in what would be the final three home games for Michigan, within the space of 5 weeks (6 Saturdays).
If I’m a Michigan fan, I’m not thrilled about exactly *how* this series came back on.
Forgot to mention in my haste that in addition to all the schedule imbalance that comes as a a result of this series, Michigan essentially paid Arkansas 2 million dollars to not have one home game with them, a decent Power 5 and SEC program. Whoops.
Michigan is looking at the overall road games rather than who they are playing in them. With the 9th conference game just added, they are playing 5H/4A conference games in even years and 4H/5A in odd years. If they had stuck with the Arkansas series they would have played 8H/4A in 2018 and 6H/6A in 2019. By playing ND on the road in 2018 and at home in 2019, that makes both years 7H/5A.
They plan to address the MSU and tOSU scheduling issue with the B1G, and will probably get that changed. But not prior to 2018-19.
I get completely why Michigan made this move because how can you pass up on getting Notre Dame back, but man as an Arkansas fan this sucks. I was really looking forward to this series and now I’m not sure who Arkansas will get for a home-and-home those two years. Looking at the schedules there really isn’t anyone available. BYU maybe, but their schedule is already pretty full.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see BYU contact Arkansas about playing in 2018 and 2019. BYU has room on their schedule in both 2018 and 2019, and has wanted to play Arkasas for a while. Plus, BYU counts as a P5 under the SEC scheduling rules.
Liked this article until it got into the cancellation. There was room to add this series and keep Arkansas – would’ve been tough, but that would have been one hell of a schedule.
Michigan could have kept it but so far the CFP has shown they don’t really value playing 2 p5’s OOC with a 9 game conf schedule…ie…Stanford last year.
Lol! That would have given Michigan 6 road games in 2019. The last major college AD that scheduled that was Dave Hart at F$U in 2007. Dave Hart was NOT the AD at F$U in 2008!
Lol! Then make ND flip the locations! Lol!
And all was right with the world again now that we have the top programs in college football playing each other again. I just don’t want to hear about the SEC backing out of another home n home series with a P5 team. Ohhhh wait, I don’t have to since Michigan cancelled this one but there will be a lot more hype on this game then there would’ve been around the Arkansas game.
When SEC backs out of P5 series it has been replaced with a non P5. Btw, the SEC also schedules the least p5’s and the most FCS. Let’s not froget the SEC team who avoid playing home/home OOC series vs p5’s It’s apples and oranges
Harbaugh doesn’t want Arkansas coming to Michigan to beat his ‘wittle wolverines.
It looks better if Notre Dame does it.
Sounds like the nonsensical rambling of Special Ed Fan
Sounds like nonsensical rambling by you. Michigan backs out of the series yet you hit the SEC with replacing P5 with non P5. I’m not bashing Michigan for replacing the game with ND & I don’t really care about the SEC playing the least P5 or FCS teams, that is a you problem that you just can’t get over.
None of these other schools really want to schedule the SEC. Look what happened to Wisconsin last year… Same thing this year. They want to subjectively quilify some G5s as P5s. Michigan wants to pay 2M to renew an old rivalry? Great for them! Bielema isnt crying. Just another BIG premadonna move.
ND is a much better game in fan interest, tv ,etc than Arkansas. The series home/away dates were clearly dictated by the years Michigan has 5 B10 conf home game vs 4.
Oregon needs a P5 home game in 2018. Can’t return the favor until 2023, probably a deal-breaker for the piggies.
It looks like ND still has an open date in 2018. As the trend is for P5 team to play at least 10 regular season games with P5 teams, scheduling another game with a P5 team would show ND is not going to fight the trend. Keep in mind in 2017 outside if BYU ND will be the only P5 team which can not pick up a “data point” for playing in a CCG.
What will ND do to fill in the open date?
Michigan v. Norte Dame is a regional rivalry that moves the needle very little outside Great Lakes States. It has been played many times – there is nothing unique here, unless both are Top 10. Similar rivalry to Georgia v. Clemson.
Michigan v. Arkansas would have been different and special. B1G in an SEC stadium. Hogs in the Big House. Once in a generation game.
You may have some valid points but I disagree. Even though I think it would’ve been great to watch the Hogz in the big house, I just think the ND vs Michigan game is on another level. Whether there in the top 10 or not, its always a big game, just like the USC vs ND game is big every year. The series has been missed.
Clemson v Ga is like ND v Michigan. Um. Do u know anything about the history of this game. The number one and two winning teams of all time…clemson doesnt even play georgia often.
Notre Dame has only won at Michigan once since the Lou Holtz era came to an end. I think the game hosted by UM should be at Ford Field so that the Irish have a better chance of winning the 2019 game.
Yes, it would make great business sense for the school to move it out of it’s 110,000 capacity stadium and put it 45 minutes away in a stadium that holds 65,000.
Well I’m thrilled to see wolverine meat coming back to South Bend it is a very big rival game for us IRISH fans. The last meeting was in South Bend could never get them to come plays us at home and when they did they seen very quickly how strong the IRISH nation is everyone thought it was a fluke but we will overcome the odds yet again and send them wolverine’s home with there tails tucked between there legs.
I personally would love to see the Fighting Irish play the Arkansas Razorbacks all my family is die hard hog fans but me I bleed blue and gold. I honestly don’t think the hogs would hold a candle to the Irish. But I don’t think they would ever consider it they would back down to us just like they do when it comes to the issue of the Hogs and ASU Redwolves they know they would get beat to scared of a challenge
9 – 3 ND needs to schedule FCS teams from now on…
It will be nice to see Notre Dame join the B1G. If that were ever to happen, the B1G should go after UConn.
I agree with your first comment on the fact that Notre Dame should join the Big Ten. Remember they did join the Big Ten last week for hockey. Would be interesting to see if that drags the football team there. UConn would also be an interesting option.
I didn’t think Michigan was ever “closed” to scheduling Notre Dame in football. It was Notre Dame’s decision.
The rivalry is sure missed but times change.
when was this a rivalry? not in the same conference or same state. didn’t play from 1944 to 1977, 1983,1984, 1995,1996, and it ended in 2014.
Jim, yes, good point. I looked at the game a little different though, no matter how bad either team was it always seemed to be a big game & when they played everyone knew about it. Being two of the elite college teams, they both rank in the top five of percentage & all time wins, they also had a series that started from 1887-1909. There was so much stink from both sides that was brought up about the ending I thought they would find a way to start back playing again. So I may be wrong about it being a rivalry but in my eyes it will always be. USC & Notre Dame are not in the same state or conference yet I consider that a rivalry & yes I know they play each & every year.
This is really a one-sided rivalry, kind of like Ohio State-Penn State. Penn State’s biggest rival is Ohio State, but Ohio State and Michigan have each other, so Ohio State does not view Penn State as a rival but just another game.
Looking at history, there are many teams above Michigan on Notre Dame’s list of rivals: USC, Navy, Purdue, Michigan State, Pitt, Army, and Northwestern. Georgia Tech, Air Force, Stanford, Miami, and Boston College also rank up there. While this game matters for Michigan fans, it’s not that big of a deal for Notre Dame fans.
You’re a savant, Jim.
B.I.G should add UCONN Pitt, Syracuse and WVU. I know that Pitt and WVU are tied to the ACC and Big 12 respectfully, but if Texas and Oklahoma break up their conference by leaving for the SEC, then at least WVU can escape to the B.I.G., then hopefully Pitt and Syracuse can find a way out of the ACC?
Really? C’mon. The B1G only takes schools that fit in the CIC… this means they’re either full AAU, or like Nebraska… out of it only because of its med school not co-located in Lincoln and USDA-funded research not counted the same as NSF-funded.
Syracuse isn’t AAU any longer, and WVU’s academics? Go burn a couch. More likely would be Iowa State and Kansas picked up (if the XII breaks apart), and Pitt, UVA, and UNC are the only schools in the ACC that the B1G would be interested in.
My belief as far as realigning conferences is this. The XII is going to eventually need 12 members if they ever want to be considered champion contenders more frequently. Candidates included Cincinnati, Louisville, North Dakota State, Boise State, BYU, and Colorado State. They’ve got a lot of options, but it significantly depends on Texas willing to split their pot more with fellow members. Should this fail and XII collapses, you will most likely see these schools split between the other power conferences. I also believe that if a member of the AAC were to leave for XII, Army would take their place. The problem then becomes would the Army/Navy game be moved up early to avoid complications with championship week/play off selection week.
If BIG were to expand to 16 teams, it would either have to be two 8-team divisions, or four 4-team divisions (much like the NFL). They can play all teams from their division plus two from other divisions, OR teams in their division plus all teams from one division, plus each team that ranked equally to them from remaining two. With these commitment/departure contracts making realignment very difficult, we can only dream. But I think Notre Dame and either WVU, UConn, or Kansas/Kansas State would make great additions.
Louisville would never leave the ACC for the XII. That’s trading a Ford in for a Yugo. And again, WVU and UConn will never be in the B1G. Notre Dame? Well, in hockey, that’s now a lock. So, perhaps that reopens the door. Kansas I totally agree with you on though as a B1G candidate. They’re a top research university, they’re AAU, and they’d fit nicely in the CIC. My wildcard is Georgia Tech. AAU school, major metro in the South, easiest to reach by aircraft for traveling teams, great recruiting area for talent. If you’re picking off an ACC school… Tech is the best. Of course, until the GOR dates come up… this is all just Fantasy Conferencing.
LOL…B10 would never take WVU, Kansas/Kansas State. You’re the 2nd person who has a misunderstanding on what guides expansion. If the B10 adds any schools it will from the ACC, they have already made that clear, MD was not a one off. VA, UNC, Gtech are on their radar. UL would be stupid to leave the ACC for the B12. NO current P5 schools is leaving to go to the B12, thus the B12 prospects are AAC schools and BYU. CSU, NDSU, Boise have no chance, they don;t add enough value in markets, recruiting, etc..
B1G needs to add Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Missouri, and Cincinnati and drop Penn State, Maryland, and Rutgers.
ACC need to add Notre Dame, Connecticut, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, and West Virginia.
SEC needs to drop Missouri and add Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Tulane, Memphis, Baylor, and Texas Tech.
PAC-12 needs to add BYU, Air Force, Nevada, and UNLV.
Can you stop posting utter nonsense.
First your claim of other rivalries ahead of Michigan is nonsense in all cases but USC. Are you on cracl..Miami/ND played very few times. Navy is not a rivalry, a rivalry requires competiton Navy has won like 3 times in the last 40 years.
You’re nonsense about what teams conference should add shows complete ignorance on the basis of expansion. The B10 doesn;t want dead weight schools like Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Missouri, and Cincinnati …They are small markets and the plain states current B12 schools are not hot beds of recruiting They add nothing.
I could keep going on the absolute goddam nonsense you mentioned on the other conferences but it would clearly be lost on you b/c you have no idea what guides expansion. Btw, no P5 ever wants AF, Nevada, UNLV, Tulane,
I know my suggestions were wishful thinking. I know they have no chance in happening (or very little at best). They make sense from geographical and rivalry perspectives, that’s it.
However, you are wrong about expansion candidates. The B1G would jump at the chance to grab a Kansas or Oklahoma, despite their media markets. A Kansas State or Oklahoma State might only get in if politics become involved. I get that the B1G wants media markets, but it’s not the only guideline it’s using. Remind me of the big media market Nebraska brought along? And you quoted UVA and UNC, which media markets do they contribute?
As for Michigan being Notre Dame’s second biggest rival, you are VERY wrong my friend. Rivalries are about more than wins and losses. So yes, Navy is a bigger rivalry as are Michigan State and Purdue, and probably even Pitt. By they way, do you realize Michigan is not that far ahead of Miami in games played against ND? Ask any Notre Dame alum, they don’t care about this game!!! Only Michigan fans and alums do!
Lastly, you are the one insulting others and getting all upset acting like the post police. Perhaps you are the one smoking crack (since you can’t even spell it). Dude, if you can’t handle the conversation here with respect, then maybe YOU shouldn’t read or post here.
Notre Dame does not want anything to do with Michigan. They dropped Michigan, not the other way around. Notre Dame is tied up to an ACC schedule till 2025. Unless they meet in a Bowl game, it won’t happen till at least then.
Would like to see a home and home between Notre Dame and Michigan
Ok Notre dame bandwagon, first of all Michigan has more wins against Notre dame plus more wins than any college football team in history so like the famous Michigan man himself once said, Bo Schembechler Michigan doesn’t need Notre dame, second it’s a great rivalry, people still live off of Notre dame’s tradition and history, that is not them anymore, can Notre dame really compete with the big 10 Ohio state, didn’t northwestern beat them a couple of years ago, Michigan state and now Michigan is up and coming how about Wisconsin, maybe throw in Nebraska, so Notre dame is that good right? Didn’t Ohio state beat that ass from the big 10 in a bowl game!
At least ND QBs can tie their own shoes! Better graduation rate at ND them UofM will ever have, ND doesn’t offer VCR repair 101 haha! And at the “character” stating Navy isn’t a rivalry…uh that game between ND and Navy will always happen Navy helped ND out by housing their naval officers there way back when so as a thank you ND plays them year in and year out. The list of teams wanting to play ND especially in South Bend is quite long, nationally exposure folks. College football is a lot like the NFL, it’s all about the money baby!
I see no reason why Notre Dame won’t schedule a home and home series with Michigan in the future, but the days of having annual games with ANYONE except the two West coast private schools (Southern Cal and Stanford) and Navy are over. The five annual ACC games plus games against Stanford, Southern Cal, and Navy just leave too few openings. ND will not re-start their annual series with Michigan State just like they are not going to re-start their annual series with Purdue back–both of which have a lot more history than the Michigan series. But my guess is they will play each of those schools a few times each decade. They are playing MIchigan State and play Purdue in five seasons or so. This thought that the Irish may renew this annual series with Michigan (or BC or Pitt or anyone who it has played for several years in a row) is just off base. There just aren’t enough games, and playing that series with the Wolverines isn’t important enough to them. The best you can hope for is a home and home every 8-10 years. That seems reasonable to me.
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Good choice on moving these games due to the hurricane, would be hard to make up & now I don’t have to stay up til 12am watching Michigan play.
Yeah, now the game will be over at 12:30 instead of 8:30
Hopefully by then Army will have inproved to making it a real game ! Go Army beat Michigan
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Once again, the best looking uniforms on the field together. Now let’s get both of these programs back to a level where these games are history-makers!
Good to see these kind of power home-and-home games continue.
Any word on if the 2019-20 ND-Texas series will be moved? And instead, will Texas play Florida those two seasons?
Florida would never agree to play a home & home out of conference, it would have to be a neutral site game
2019-20 ND-Texas games still on as of yesterday, but doesn’t mean they won’t cancel or move them soon.
“A matchup of this magnitude doesn’t come along all that often,” said head coach Brady Hoke, who will be on his fourth or fifth head coaching job by the time the first game of this series is played.
Good to see again the home to home games begin …….
Lets see how they rock…