This is all sorts of awesome for Rocket fans!
Could it be the ACC is gearing up for 9 conference games?
Once again post after post since it is not an SEC team Maverick has nothing negative to say. If this was Tennessee. Ole Miss or Arkansas the rants would be epic.If you look at Tech’s past schedules they are horrible! No slight aimed at BGSU a fine football school, I just want to point out SEC bias from the likes of Maverick and Jinzo.
The ACC just had a huge meeting to discuss their future schedule. They have a binary choice between an 8+2 model (8 conference games and 2 non conference power 5 games) or a 9+1 model (9 conference games and 1 non conference). The change is already in place when they start their new tv deal with ESPN and the ACC network… Once again, it’s a stupid argument by an SEC apologist.
Having two scheduling models to choose from might make scheduling more complex for some ACC programs. ndeed some ACC programs have OOC rivalries (FlaSt-Fla, GT-Geo, Clem-SC, Louv-Ky, and Pitt is establishing rotating OOC rivalry with Penn St & WV). Whereas some don’t. And some ACC programs have ‘natural’ cross division rivalries and some don’t. And then there is the added complexity of scheduling ND to five games per season. If each program has the flexibility to play either 8 or 9 conference games, it will be difficult for ACC programs to know what the other ACC programs is doing, or is available or interested. Balancing out scheduling home vs road conference games as well as the strength of schedule will be difficult. ACC programs will need to get ahead of the curve in future scheduling and the ACC office will have to be super involved in helping to manage the scheduling process, helping to balance the strength of schedule throughout the conference, But I assume the ACC schools were accepting of the added scheduling complexity when the ACC made an agreement with ND. With that said I applaud moving in the right direction. Only if the SEC had similar will power,
I prefer how the Pac12 schedules their 9 game schedule, rotating 5 home games one year to 4 home games the following year. And rotating not playing two cross division programs for two years in a row. However the Pac12 arrangement often results in an an unbalanced SOS (eg the PNW schools get to play either USC or UCLA in the same year, not both).
SEC scheduling remains in the dark ages.
The SEC are afraid to go to nine conference games. The SEC hierarchy is unwilling to travel outside of their region (as often as the other guys) and are addicted to the neutral site games and the home games against the SunBelt and FCS way too much for that to happen.
You just sound like someone else who comes on here complaining about nonsense with the SEC, no reason even to comment. Please look at past & future schedules of the SEC traveling outside they’re region, neutral games bring in large amounts of money, that’s why they are so popular & yes, I am pretty sure the SEC is very afraid to go to 9 games in there conference because that’s all it’s about is being afraid….please!
Bad, bad, bad deal for Michigan here.
The final game previously in the series was at Notre Dame. So why is the series restarting at Notre Dame?
In 2018, Michigan will face Notre Dame, Michigan State, and Ohio State all on the road, and their home schedule will look about like it does in 2016, very weak.
In 2019, Michigan will face Notre Dame, Michigan State, and Ohio State at home in what would be the final three home games for Michigan, within the space of 5 weeks (6 Saturdays).
If I’m a Michigan fan, I’m not thrilled about exactly *how* this series came back on.
Forgot to mention in my haste that in addition to all the schedule imbalance that comes as a a result of this series, Michigan essentially paid Arkansas 2 million dollars to not have one home game with them, a decent Power 5 and SEC program. Whoops.
Michigan is looking at the overall road games rather than who they are playing in them. With the 9th conference game just added, they are playing 5H/4A conference games in even years and 4H/5A in odd years. If they had stuck with the Arkansas series they would have played 8H/4A in 2018 and 6H/6A in 2019. By playing ND on the road in 2018 and at home in 2019, that makes both years 7H/5A.
They plan to address the MSU and tOSU scheduling issue with the B1G, and will probably get that changed. But not prior to 2018-19.
I get completely why Michigan made this move because how can you pass up on getting Notre Dame back, but man as an Arkansas fan this sucks. I was really looking forward to this series and now I’m not sure who Arkansas will get for a home-and-home those two years. Looking at the schedules there really isn’t anyone available. BYU maybe, but their schedule is already pretty full.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see BYU contact Arkansas about playing in 2018 and 2019. BYU has room on their schedule in both 2018 and 2019, and has wanted to play Arkasas for a while. Plus, BYU counts as a P5 under the SEC scheduling rules.
Liked this article until it got into the cancellation. There was room to add this series and keep Arkansas – would’ve been tough, but that would have been one hell of a schedule.
Michigan could have kept it but so far the CFP has shown they don’t really value playing 2 p5’s OOC with a 9 game conf schedule…ie…Stanford last year.
Lol! That would have given Michigan 6 road games in 2019. The last major college AD that scheduled that was Dave Hart at F$U in 2007. Dave Hart was NOT the AD at F$U in 2008!
Lol! Then make ND flip the locations! Lol!
And all was right with the world again now that we have the top programs in college football playing each other again. I just don’t want to hear about the SEC backing out of another home n home series with a P5 team. Ohhhh wait, I don’t have to since Michigan cancelled this one but there will be a lot more hype on this game then there would’ve been around the Arkansas game.
When SEC backs out of P5 series it has been replaced with a non P5. Btw, the SEC also schedules the least p5’s and the most FCS. Let’s not froget the SEC team who avoid playing home/home OOC series vs p5’s It’s apples and oranges
Harbaugh doesn’t want Arkansas coming to Michigan to beat his ‘wittle wolverines.
It looks better if Notre Dame does it.
Sounds like the nonsensical rambling of Special Ed Fan
Sounds like nonsensical rambling by you. Michigan backs out of the series yet you hit the SEC with replacing P5 with non P5. I’m not bashing Michigan for replacing the game with ND & I don’t really care about the SEC playing the least P5 or FCS teams, that is a you problem that you just can’t get over.
None of these other schools really want to schedule the SEC. Look what happened to Wisconsin last year… Same thing this year. They want to subjectively quilify some G5s as P5s. Michigan wants to pay 2M to renew an old rivalry? Great for them! Bielema isnt crying. Just another BIG premadonna move.
ND is a much better game in fan interest, tv ,etc than Arkansas. The series home/away dates were clearly dictated by the years Michigan has 5 B10 conf home game vs 4.
Oregon needs a P5 home game in 2018. Can’t return the favor until 2023, probably a deal-breaker for the piggies.
It looks like ND still has an open date in 2018. As the trend is for P5 team to play at least 10 regular season games with P5 teams, scheduling another game with a P5 team would show ND is not going to fight the trend. Keep in mind in 2017 outside if BYU ND will be the only P5 team which can not pick up a “data point” for playing in a CCG.
What will ND do to fill in the open date?
Michigan v. Norte Dame is a regional rivalry that moves the needle very little outside Great Lakes States. It has been played many times – there is nothing unique here, unless both are Top 10. Similar rivalry to Georgia v. Clemson.
Michigan v. Arkansas would have been different and special. B1G in an SEC stadium. Hogs in the Big House. Once in a generation game.
You may have some valid points but I disagree. Even though I think it would’ve been great to watch the Hogz in the big house, I just think the ND vs Michigan game is on another level. Whether there in the top 10 or not, its always a big game, just like the USC vs ND game is big every year. The series has been missed.
Clemson v Ga is like ND v Michigan. Um. Do u know anything about the history of this game. The number one and two winning teams of all time…clemson doesnt even play georgia often.
Notre Dame has only won at Michigan once since the Lou Holtz era came to an end. I think the game hosted by UM should be at Ford Field so that the Irish have a better chance of winning the 2019 game.
Yes, it would make great business sense for the school to move it out of it’s 110,000 capacity stadium and put it 45 minutes away in a stadium that holds 65,000.
Well I’m thrilled to see wolverine meat coming back to South Bend it is a very big rival game for us IRISH fans. The last meeting was in South Bend could never get them to come plays us at home and when they did they seen very quickly how strong the IRISH nation is everyone thought it was a fluke but we will overcome the odds yet again and send them wolverine’s home with there tails tucked between there legs.
I personally would love to see the Fighting Irish play the Arkansas Razorbacks all my family is die hard hog fans but me I bleed blue and gold. I honestly don’t think the hogs would hold a candle to the Irish. But I don’t think they would ever consider it they would back down to us just like they do when it comes to the issue of the Hogs and ASU Redwolves they know they would get beat to scared of a challenge
“If Notre Dame is in, two of the five title holders, who will have played more Power teams than the Irish, will be relegated to a meaningless bowl game.”
Are you really going to do a schedule analysis and end on that tired note? Is Houston not a Top 10 team because it plays in the AAC? Is Navy not better than half of Michigan’s or Clemson’s conference opponents? Would you rather play Navy or Indiana? Navy or Wake Forest?
Your analysis should have been that Notre Dame ATTEMPTS to schedule aggressively, but they are far more dependent on its opponents being good than their conference counterparts. If Michigan State has a bad year, that doesn’t really impact Michigan’s view in the eyes of the committee, but would drastically impact the view of Notre Dame’s schedule since they don’t have the conference title to fall back on.
That is exactly the mentality. They tout Power 5 opponents without looking at the quality of those opponents. Houston is as good if not better than a lot of Power 5 teams. Now, I wouldn’t say they would do great playing an SEC or Pac 12 schedule al year long, but they can win their games and play with the big boys when they need to. But to some, playing a Power 5 team matters… it doesn’t matter that Kansas is horrible, they are a Power 5 team. So, Oklahoma will get credit for playing them for some reason while Alabama is slammed for playing non-Power 5 teams that would probably beat Kansas simply because they aren’t in the Big 12.
It makes no sense.
You’re a big SEC guy. We all know it. What you and the rest of the Committee need to do is subtract the FCS win from each of your opponents’ record as well as your own. Only then will we get a true opponents win percentage rather than the bloated 65.4%. Then you should add another conference game like the other conferences, which will again drop your opponents’ win percentage.
Would have loved for you to also compare the Non-power conference opponents instead of simply discounting them. I wouldn’t equate Army, Nevada, and definitely not Navy – to an FCS team, but that would have ruined the pre-determined narrative you had established.
“In our analysis, that’s simply not true. No matter what happens, Notre Dame will play nine Power opponents in 2016. Alabama and Clemson will also play nine,”
Clemson plays 10 before a championship game Amy, FYI…
“If Notre Dame is in, two of the five title holders, who will have played more Power teams than the Irish, will be relegated to a meaningless bowl game.”……
Are you saying the Rose, Orange, Cotton and Sugar Bowls are “meaningless” this year?
This ESPN commentary is very lame for the many reasons already stated. The failure to qualitatively differentiate Power 5 Conference teams particularly jumps out. Also, it is reasonable to interpret conference championship games as opportunities Notre Dame foregoes instead of challenges the Irish avoid. Then there the eye test. This year Alabama plays Kent State and FCS teams Western Kentucky and Chatanooga. LSU plays FCS team Jacksonville State and Southern Miss, and South Alabama.
Western Kentucky is not an FCS team, they won the Con USA last year & went 12-2
And the Miami Beach Bowl against S. Fla. which was essentially a home game for them. But then again, our second string plays, so…. Lmao
Bottom line…. There are advantages to being in a P5 CG. The selection committee will always get the best team in the top 4. I will always be an advocate of an 8 team play-off, with 5 power conf. champs and 3 at-large bids. Get in or get over it. Roll Tide!!
So just to be clear…Notre Fame should be punished for scheduling two games against the United States Government. Kidding a little, but the fact remains, Notre Dame respects the U.S. Military (Army and Nave, often Air Force) and frankly in my book. That counts far more than Alabama actually nearly leaving the South to play USC in Dallas, or facing ULM, Furman or My Mother the Car in Tuscaloosa yet again. I grew up hating the Golden Domers and my GaTech grad Father grew up a Tide lov’n Bear man in Summerdale east of Fairhope. I have no prejudices here. My vote for Alabama might happen if they ever leave their time zone, even once a decade. ND croses more Time Zones in a Month than Alabama does in a decade of regular seasons. Let me know when tough is based on reality, not if the breakfast grits are just a little different than in Birmingham or Tuscaloosa.
Again, sorry about the typos. I hate these mobile touch screen keyboards.
Sure, blame the mobile touch screen keyboard. ND is independent & travels because they have too, Alabama being in the SEC (the south) does not have to travel so much. You being a writer/analyst should know that & yes you are playing prejudices here. Your funny little jokes like ” or facing ULM, Furman or My Mother the Car in Tuscaloosa yet again” sound stupid. Bama does not even play ULM or Furman, you don’t know what you are talking about & I don’t buy at all you are who you say you are.
calling a team a ‘power 5’ team is THE most meaningless term possible…Wake Forest, Purdue, Illinois, Kansas, Maryland, Syracuse and Boston College are all ‘power 5’ teams and according to this author those qualify as quality wins while Houston, Boise State, East Carolina etc. are not. Truly pathetic analysis.
Oh look another person in the media bashing ND based on silly pre-season predictions and bad self serving analysis.
Why don’t you look at NDs schedule in the past years and see how the teams ended up being ranked at the end of the year after the bowl games? I prefer the rankings after the teams, you know, actually play football. Average the end of the year rankings out and be sure to include the rankings of those FCS teams (are they even included?) Then make your claims. At least then we have something sensible to talk about.
One day ND will take off their skirts and join the Big 10 and end irish fans ridiculous argument of strength of schedule. In the last 25 years playing Indiana or Wisconsin or Northwestern is helluva lot tougher opponent than Army Navy & Air Force. Go Blue
What a great time of year! How much better would it be without all the preseason hype and rhetoric? The self admitted “way too early predictions”. Interesting to see the head to head comparisons of ND’s schedule to the others. Is there enough of a difference to warrant this article or does it show that the ND schedule is just as good as the others? Like Joe, I believe the results of the games and final rankings matter most.
We will see in 2018 on opening day if they are skirts or kilts?
Looking to the future, ND’s opening games starting in 2018: Mich., Louisville, Purdue, Fla St, Ohio St, Ohio St, Tx A&M, Purdue then Mich St.
That is not passive scheduling on opening day!
This year the Irish will play 2 conference champions. Does any other team do that?
How about Auburn and Ohio St. ND will need extenuating circumstances to get in the playoff over a P5 champ unless we grow the playoff to 8 teams.
Notre Dame now plays two military teams that do not contain blue chip players while touring it as some kind of respect. That is such a farce. In fact, beating up on a military team (a team with players that are going to serve the country and likely will never be considered for the NFL) with a team of all-stars is simply unfair and strikesif a bully nature. One thing that Notre Dame definitely has is a financial backing in the form of a network in NBC. Now how many college football teams can claim that? If ND were to join the conference, that financial backing would definitely be an issue as far as fairness. The article writer does have a good point that conference champions had to risk it all in order to have a chance at the playoffs. ND gets to have in essence an extra bye week while an undefeated team has to prove itself in one more game against another winning team. How is that fair?
Why is it NBC, CBS and other that don’t have back to back games are start at 3:30 eastern? Why not move it up or down a little so all games don’t start and end at same time?
I don’t understand this sentiment. I do not like games that start at off times (5:30, 6, 9) because it’s harder to keep up with those games than it is games with synchronized starts, because you know all games in the 12, 3:30, and 7/8 window are around the same stage.
Because all games don’t end at the same time. It provides a buffer, allows the audience to get a little break if there’s no OT, and provide an update show for the duration between games.
Surprised they didn’t put the Nevada game on NBCSN to increase the value