Have you sent a FOIA request to New Mexico State to find out if they have scheduled other 2018 football games?
Sent one 10 days ago but they haven’t responded yet. Probably why this series was announced today.
I can confirm it is the reason. I contacted Moccia to ask when fans could expect the schedule, and he said sooner rather than later, and added a reporter filed a FOIA, so he contacted the schools to let them know he will be releasing the schedule. By January your FOIA will be moot.
Doesn’t matter to me. They are supposed to respond by Dec. 23, so either way there will be some more info released soon.
NMSU delayed their response to “on or before Jan. 4.” So likely we will see schedule info trickle out until then or there will be a single release.
Thanks Kevin. Us geeks love the info.
Any news come out on the FOIA you requested?
Came back yesterday. Only the Wyoming and ULL contracts.
ahh ok. Keep up the good work and thanks for the info. Was hoping for some juicy nuggets.
Geez. Poor NMSU. Only having weeks 0 through 2 scheduled seems like a bad spot. And a bad spot to negotiate reasonable contracts from. Hopefully UTEP and UNM will be good rivals and help fill later season dates in. Good luck to NMSU.
Wouldn’t there still be a New Mexico game each year? Kevin, you have annual games listed on UNM’s main page going far into future years.
UTEP? Seems to be a good home and home for UTEP’s fans, to just go north up I-10.
Regionally, “fellow” independent BYU still needs two games in ’18. The other major independent with no locked games, UMass, doing a pretty darn good job filling their schedules, already has 11 games.
They have a November advantage — in a way — offering any northern climate G5 or P5 school a chance to play in warmer climes in Las Cruces, for what it’s worth. Now that the Sun Belt doesn’t control those weeks late in the season, one might think a MAC or northern AAC team would go for a home and home if the trip to LC is near the season’s end.
I have to agree with you. I think Army tends to play 2 fcs teams a year. They can replace 1 fcs team with New Mexico state. I think unms should have 5-8 games a year roughly planned out a year. They could play the following schedule roughly each year:
2 money games
If nmsu wants they can try and schedule more money games. I know some SEC teams schedule late season cupcake teams. I doubt at least at this point that nmsu is much harder then a fcs team. Though they have the added benefit of being a fbs team. Most of the teams mentioned can be scheduled late in the season. Army, umass, and BYU are independent and in theroy schedule the games in November. One of the 2 money games could be the SEC late season ooc game.
NMSU only plays P5 teams in September for the most part, so no, the SEC could not add them on as a “cupcake” in November. Try playing some of the FCS schools, they’re not as easy as you think.
I was mentioning or thinking that nmsu is easier then some FCS teams. Nmsu will be independent in 2018 and on for now so they can be used as a November cupcake game. Though like you mentioned most P-5 conferences don’t have late season season open dates. I was thinking they could try and schedule the other independents during November. They could schedule umass, byu, and army for November. For the Army games it could be on a 3 game rotation home and home and neutral site. They could use the last November match-up against a Sec teams in the years a Sec teams needs a late season game. They could have a bye week or like dbrunstheworld mentioned they could be a team that teams use the Hawaii exemption on.
The only reason I bring up the Sec is that they use a late season open dates to not play a rivalry game
Usually that is. I’m sure they maybe able to play a package 12 team in October.
Correct on BYU. Conferences are going more and more to try to protect the last two weeks pre-championship for conference games. BYU will need games the week before travelling to USC and Stanford most years. Las Cruces much closer than Foxborough.
If Army, NMSU, UMass and BYU could plan together in scheduling, which is unlikely, they could have games the last three weeks of November versus one another. That round-robin would enable a championship game between the four the first week of December under current rules. That might be what is needed to lure UConn the remainder of the way toward Big East/Indy. But that doesn’t add a fifth team, that likely leads to more trickle-down changes when the American needs a team…Oh well.
“I know some SEC teams schedule late season cupcake teams.”
Try not to incite a whine-fest from O-Da-Doo-Da-Day and Billy Joe Bob with that comment. Then again, they only spew their idiotic platitudes about the SEC kingdom when the SEC is mentioned. So, they probably won’t even view this discussion.
As for Army. They are an Independent Service Academy. Hard to schedule for that. They need the East Coast games to negate travel toll on the players, in addition to one or two FCS games, plus a few vs. Power 5 Schools.
But with Monken on board now, they may be able to recruit up and be able to schedule a little tougher down the road.
You are so butthurt its not even funny. Can you go one day without talking about the SEC? This is why no one likes you on this website. Hang yourself.
” Then again, they only spew their idiotic platitudes about the SEC kingdom when the SEC is mentioned.”
You always spew your SEC bashing even when an article is not about the SEC like this one.
Butthurt is right.
The article did not mention the SEC, but a comment did, so I commented on that. Nice try, ladies.
I would have no problem with your comment if it had any relevance to the conversation. Biggs was talking about scheduling and when he mentioned the SEC, you chime in with the dull meaningless “all SEC football fans are dumb”. I’m an ohio state fan and i by no means like the SEC, but you simply are a biased whiny child with no critical abilities whatsoever.
Le Brown Jimmy,
Go back and quote on any other article where I posted, “All SEC fans are dumb.” I have never said that. I was attacked by SEC fans for posting thoughtful and statistically sound rebuttals to their arguments about the SEC being the best conference the bar none. I only reply with facts.
Cold hard facts. I just shrug off the insults due to the fact that they are so childish and actually now revel in the fact that you girls get your panties in a bunch every time I reply. if any of you actually responded with sound arguments it would be fun to discuss but since you are only intellectually able to tell people to hump their moms or sisters you get wheat you get.
You are probably some white teenager using a screen name as LeBron James and actually used, “Hang yourself.” as an end point to an argument.
You are so historically and verbally challenged in a catastrophic sense that it pains me to actually read what you type……..
You are kidding right? 1st, thanks for this comment:
” I was attacked by SEC fans for posting thoughtful and statistically sound rebuttals to their arguments about the SEC being the best conference the bar none. I only reply with facts.”
Thoughtful & statistically sound rebuttals ………Lmao!
No SEC fan attacked you, this started a couple of years ago when you were bashing Patrick Ryan about him defending the SEC & being a Clemson fan (don’t think I don’t know). Go back & see some of the comments you used to leave, talk about being childish & calling people names. I think your are the white teenager with all the add-ons & changing of people’s names, that is what an insult is, calling the SEC the SECLeast is an insult. I truly don’t think you are old enough to figure this out yet. To many people see through you by now, its to late to start (trying) to sound smart.
First off, i’m not white. What does that have to do with anything? Second, you claim that you don’t attack SEC fans. We all know that’s bullshit. You claim that when i used “hang yourself” that was part of my argument. I only said that because it’s a known fact that Shep and Maverick are the only people on this website that even remotely like you. Why do you even hate the SEC anyway?
To be honest with you, the SEC east is trash no argument there. However, the SEC west has been the best division for years until now. The SEC has also been the best conference for the past ten years. The SEC this year is mediocre at best. The BIG 10 s just starting to rise again, and we don’t even know if its really as good as it seems to be.
It is called,
Go look it up. Or try.
While NMSU’s biggest need is November games, this is great use by NMSU of Wyoming’s Hawaii exemption to play in August. Shifts the whole schedule ahead a week if Nov 17 & Nov 24 games cannot be found.
Bingo! Using the week zero exception was brilliant.
As for Independents, BYU might do a 2 for 1 deal, like they have done in the recent past with NMSU. If so you can pencil in October 13th or 20th in Provo. UMass also needs a home game, and a frigid November 24th is open … maybe better to end the season on the 10th.
November 10th and 17th are SEC patsy weeks before they play rivals. Ole’ Miss has the 10th open and my WAG is NMSU will be that patsy. Look for an FCS school in early November as well.
By the time NMSU starts their independence they could sign a deal with NBCSN to air their home games which could prompt moving many of their home games to weeknights to better facilitate TV coverage
NBCSN currently only has the Ivy League and the Bayou Classic as part of their college football coverage, wouldn’t hurt them to sublicense some Sun Belt games from ESPN and add UMass home games either.
Not even worth NBC sending the crew out
NBCSN is looking to get its hands on any college football they can at this point
Wyoming can schedule a fifth non-conference game (most likely a home game) because they play at Hawaii in 2018
A question for Kevin and others who’ve studied the Week Zero and Hawai’i/Alaska exemptions. Would it include playing games in Mexico? NMSU would be a natural to shift a game down to Mexico City or Monterrey the same weekend the NFL is playing a game down there. An international game would work well paired with the NFL game….
As the rule is currently written, it only applies to Hawaii:
184.108.40.206 Exception—Institutions That Compete in Hawaii. [FBS/FCS] An institution that is scheduled to play a regular-season game in Hawaii may play its first permissible contest with outside competition on the Saturday prior to the Thursday preceding Labor Day. If the institution’s first opponent of the season is not a member institution located in Hawaii, the institution’s first opponent of the season may also play its first contest (game or scrimmage) with outside competition on the Saturday prior to the Thursday preceding Labor Day. (Adopted: 4/28/16 effective 8/1/16)
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Karl Benson killed FBS football at Idaho. Should’ve seen this from the start – he’s a Boise State grad.
I’m surprised Idaho and NMSU aren’t suing the Sun Belt to end the relationship one year early. The way they were betrayed by Benson after he came through for them twice in the past (WAC membership in 2005, then Sun Belt FB membership) should be reason alone enough to end the agreement early.
There is precedent for such a move. If West Virginia hadn’t sued the Big East, they would have been forced to stay until 2014. West Virginia’s move inspired Pitt and Syracuse to sue to terminate their relationships early as well.
Sure, it had nothing to do with your football team being consistently crap. Should have stayed in the Big Sky where they belong.
You’re right, it was a personal vendetta and had nothing to do with the fact that the schools didn’t add anything except exorbitant and unnecessary travel costs and play in extremely small markets well outside of the footprint. WVU, Cuse, and Pitt all sued to get out so they could make more money in a different conference, why would Idaho sue to get out of the FBS guarantee money? Did you put any thought into this post at all?
Karl Benson killed football at Idaho? Sorry, but Idaho’s wounds were almost 100% self-inflicted.
1) Idaho hasn’t done any significant upgrades to it’s football facilities since 1975. The thought that they could be even competitive at the mid-major level in a facility that is overflowing at 17K is laughable at best.
2) They pay their coaches on par with the bottom of the barrel of the FBS and the high end of the FCS
3) They have never been pro-active with athletics and this isn’t the first time they have dropped down (they were in the PCC, forerunner to the PAC12) and they didn’t fight for inclusion in the new league. Instead they helped form the Big Sky and had no complaints dropping down to the lower division.
4) They are ranked nationally in academics but precious few outside of the region are aware of it, and they market their brand on a regional scale, and think of their brand on par with the PAC schools and that word of mouth is good enough to market their brand.
5) It’s idiot President, actually claimed Spokane’s media market for U of I (and didn’t even bother to mention U of I’s sizable alum in the treasure valley). Looking at various Spokane media outlets (ie Spokesman review), U of I gets billing after Eastern Washington of the Big Sky.
6) Other than winning the Big West in 1998, Idaho doesn’t have a title in football at the FBS level. They have also never played in a bowl game outside of the state. They have never won the WAC, never won the Sunbelt (which is now essentially a conference of Southeastern FCS Converts).
7) Considering that Idaho was in the WAC for 7 years (during Karl Benson’s tenure), and the fact that in terms of revenue and prestige it added absolutely nothing to any FBS conference your argument doesn’t hold up. Blame all the teams bolting the Big West for putting Idaho in that situation initially but the fact remains that the U of I has such a long history of being lazy in investing in it’s football program at crucial moments, that the wounds are almost completely self-inflicted. Idaho did absolutely nothing to make itself more appealing to perspective conferences.
Are you stupid? Commissioners have zero power in deciding membership. It was the other members who voted unanimously to kick you out. Moron. Drunk window diving is the only sport dUI has been good at for years. Pretty sure even the hillbilly SunBelt doesn’t sponsor that one.
The contract gives them the option of ending one year early if you bothered to read it.
Pete Liske and Elizabeth Sinser killed UI football by moving up to 1-A and leaving the Big Sky in the first place just so they could stay with Butt State (Boise), who didn’t even want them anyway.
Idaho has played in a bowl game twice (one that didn’t even exist when they made the move) in 20 years. Whereas they were almost 1-AA playoff regulars up until the early 90s.
Montana talks occasionally about moving up but it’s logistically impossible for a number of reasons. That’s why that conversation lasts usually less than a minute.
Idaho trying to compete at the 1A level was a disaster from the start…..Wyoming should up their guarantee for hosting Idaho, perhaps by $125K.
Agreed. I wish the NCAA would start enforcing attendance requirements as it would help thin the herds at the FBS level and leave only the programs that truly belong.
Hey JR EAD
JR, agreed. They allow for tickets distributed to count toward ticket sales. dUI for years gave away free tix but never had more than a few thousands actually in the stands. When the attendance requirement is 15,000 and their stadium is 16,000 it should be pretty easy for NCAA to realize that they aren’t meeting the requirement.
Wyoming injuring Idaho when the Vandals are already suffering is a bogus move. With Wyoming canceling on visiting Idaho, I do have not have any problem with Oregon cancelling visiting Wyoming. I hope that happens.
What is Wyoming’s incentive to play a home game in a remote location in a 17K stadium that won’t be filled? I think they already have an FCS team on their schedule, so a second FCS program doesn’t make sense. I’m no Wyoming fan, but seriously, Idaho shoulders the blame for this one.
JR, exactly. Idaho was still FBS when Wyo scheduled them (obviously for an easy win which the SEC does every year)). They already had an FCS team scheduled at home that same year. Rules state that to be bowl eligible with two FCS opponents you must then win seven not six games. So when dUI was dropped to FCS Wyo had to pick one to drop and they picked the away game. Guaranteed if Idaho was playing Laramie and the Wofford game was in South Carolina the would have dropped Wofford.
Seriously why would Wyoming play an FCS team on the road? I can think of two times that’s happened in about 20 years (Idaho was one oddly enough playing at Texas State in 1997–the other was Army at Yale last year). While Michigan playing a return game against ASU in Boone in 2008 (or LSU at Jacksonville State the next year) would have been hilarious) it’s not only unrealistic but quite frankly a joke, Besides, nothing stopping UI from getting games with Northern Iowa, NDSU, Eastern Illinois or something like that and actually having a home-and-home series instead of a one-off money trip to Tennessee or Nebraska or wherever.
I jumped the gun on my above comment. On second look, Idaho had four 2018 games scheduled against FBS opponents. They can’t play a full Big Sky conference schedule and have 4 OOC games. So something had to give and only on very rare occasions will a FBS program ever travel to a FCS stadium. I suspect the contracts for Idaho’s other previously scheduled OOC games are being renegotiated to much lower payouts. And expect the home games with San Jose St and Nevada to be canceled as well. Idaho knew all this was coming.
Expect Idaho to be playing guarantee games at the Northwest and other Pac12 schools more often. WSU, Utah and Arizona need a FCS opponent in 2020, and most of the Pac12 need FCS opponents in 2021 & 2022. (UCLA, USC, Stanford are not playing FCS programs and Colorado is booked up through 2024).
2018 – @Florida / @Fresno St / @NIU
2019 – @Penn St / @Wyoming / @SJ St
2020 – @LSU / @Temple / SJ St
2021 – @Indiana / Nevada / @SJ St /
2022 – @Indiana / SJ St / @Old Dom
Also Idaho was FBS when Wyo scheduled them and they already had an FCS opponent scheduled at home that year. When Idaho was dropped to FCS Wyo had to drop one and they chose the away game.
The Nevada game has already been cancelled too.
No doubt Penn St. will be dropping Idaho for 2019 now that the Vandals will be Div I-AA.
They’re allowed FCS schools if they were previously scheduled, I could see them leaving this one but at a lower rate.
Shep, but to be bowl eligible at 6-6 they can only have one FCS game, otherwise they need to be 7-5.
Shep, and already had FCS Buffalo on the schedule. They’ll chose to drop the one fans won’t be attending.
U Buffalo has been 1A for at least 8 years…..they are in the MAC
What are you people talking about, UB has been FBS since 1999.
I thought they were in CAA with Villanova. Just goes to show how much they matter.
Ha ha. Jeremiah doesn’t follow anything besides P5 football. Buffalo was in a bowl game for the 2008 and 2013 seasons. Albeit the now defunct International Bowl and the inFamous Idaho Potato Bowl.
Those 8 win seasons were their only winning seasons since joining FBS in 1999. Outside those years they’ve won 5 games only four times. I stand by my statement.
Oh, and I’m a Boise guy, so yeah I only follow P5 football.
It’s not announced yet, but San Jose State 2019 and 2021 games at Idaho will be cancelled. The home games in San Jose in 2020 and 2022 will remain on the schedule. Like Wyoming these will be converted into cash payment games for Idaho (were “in kind”).
There’s no need. SJSU doesn’t have other FCS schools scheduled and they’d be easy wins.
The info is from the Spartan Athletic department. SJSU does not play road games at FCS schools. The games at Spartan stadium will be played, and as with Wyoming converted to cash payouts for Idaho.
You can expect the future homes games against Nevada to be cancelled — they are not even scheduled — and the game in Reno converted to a cash game like with SJSU and Wyoming. Basically Idaho picks up 4 revenue games without lifting a finger.
The B1G scheduling requirements do not allow FCS schools, so the Indiana and Penn State games will be almost certainly be cancelled based on the “changing schedule requirements” clause triggered by Idaho dropping to FCS.
LSU has a walk away clause, but I expect they will simply renegotiate the fee down with the leverage, as Idaho still fills the victim role they want before their rivalry game against A&M (or Arkansas). Florida looks stuck, the language doesn’t give them an out – so a record FCS payout coming for that one (the date works for Florida, the week before FSU rivalry game).
The rest of the games (on the road) will likely stand as scheduled. There is not enough cash involved to bother, just eat it. (Note, NIU is a return game so no cash involved).
Stuart. Thanks for the that info, providing some clarity.
I predict the B1G will provide a waiver to allows Penn St to play Idaho in 2018 (of course assuming Penn St and Idaho can successfully renegotiate the payout). Minnesota is playing South Dakota St in 2018.
Make that 2019. And Maryland is playing Towson in 2020.
“JR, exactly. Idaho was still FBS when Wyo scheduled them (obviously for an easy win which the SEC does every year))”
So the SEC is the only conference that schedules Idaho? Please!
I’m obviously talking about the easy win part. If the SEC can do it anyone can.
Might have been the only game Wyoming won that year!
Hopefully we will be a little improved by then!
Wyoming gets an extra game in 2018 (Hawaii exception) so Idaho@Wyoming would be possible?
Answering my own question: Big Sky programs play eight conference games and three OOC games. So Idaho could not play @Wyoming, and also play the scheduled games @Florida, @Fresno St, and @NIU
Southland and OVC are pushing for full time 12 game FCS schedules, so that may be possible depending on when/if they can get that started.
Just like there are some years when the FBS schools have 2 bye weeks, the FCS schools would have room to play 12 games (with 1 bye week). Cal Poly played 12 games in 2014 and had a bye week. However, 2018 is not one of those years. 2019 and 2020 are though.