Meh. Not a bad match up. On Oklahoma State’s side of things this is probably their best opponent recently outside of the FSU neutral site game. I’d still like to see them mix in a few slightly bigger name schools (they now have a game per year against Pitt, Boise State, and Oregon State as their biggest opponents over the period from 2016-2021), but at least they’re looking to put at least one power-5 caliber school (I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt on Boise State) a year with the anomaly of 2015.
Over/under on how many times the announcers will irritate Sooner and Duck fans by calling them “Oklahoma” and “Oregon” since they won’t be able to call them “OSU”…?
They had Clemson scheduled but Clemson backed out when the ACC decided to play 9 conference games but then went back to 8. Heard they had reopened talks but this was 2 years ago and still no announcement.
How hard would it be for the announcers to say “Oak State” and “Oar State”?
They can just call them by their mascot and it’ll be fine. “The beavers vs the cowboys…beavers are on the cowboys 37, 2nd and 7..” besides most people think Ohio state when someone says OSU.
Depends on the part of the country and the context. It’s not unusual in Texas, for example, to call Oklahoma State “OSU” since they come up more.
But announcers do that kind of thing already from time to time, amidst the action of a game. I’ve heard them call Texas A&M “Texas” which makes me cringe as a Longhorn fan. I’ve heard Michigan State called Michigan when the context is against someone completely unrelated and out of conference. I’ve heard Ohio State referred to as Ohio, which one would assume doesn’t lead to a lot of confusion in most cases.
Ah poor university of Ohio, no love for the Bobcats. I see your point though, that’s just announcers being lazy in my opinion.
Oregon State will be on a three year run of playing the other OSUs from 2018-2020 (Columbus, Corvallis, Stillwater, respectively, pending further conference realignment-Lord help us).
An interesting(OK, not that interesting) bit of history is that tOSU nearly also chose orange and black as its official colors:
“With the rigors of the nine-game Pac-12 Conference schedule, It’s very important to have a balance in the non-conference portion,” Oregon State Director of Athletics Bob De Carolis said
Slow down there Bob. Oregon State’s recent record against FCS schools hardly guarantees OSU will beat Idaho St, Portand or S. Utah.
The slow starts were all on Coach Mike Riley. His teams couldn’t beat 2 eggs in a mixmaster to start the season, but were decent after the first couple of games.
Lmao, at Greg. Way to go Beavs
Yep, seemed it was that way every year he coached, at least after he replaced his replacement. They’d loose to FCS schools, then go on to play in, and sometimes win, a decent bowl. If he ever had them ready at the start of the season he could have gotten his team a BCS bowl selection or two.
Go OSU, the one in orange.
So, in an alternate universe, this is a regular PAC-16 matchup! :)
So who are the other Pac-16 members, besides the obvious?
I think he’s referring to this “alternate universe”:
Too bad the conference schedules make it too difficult, but October 31, 2019 is a Thursday. This would be a perfect matchup for a Halloween night football game.
BSU is putting together a nice OOC schedule for the coming seasons… Now they need to find an appealing home game for 2019 or maybe try a 3 game series (neutral in 2019 and home and home ’20 & ’21) with a marquee opponent… with the 2019 game being played in Cowboy Stadium… Maybe they can get TCU or Oklahoma to do that… or perhaps Mississippi State…
Getting that done could be huge… now if dreams could come true… lol
Neutral site in 2019 isn’t happening for Boise. No school is going on the road 3 times OOC unless it’s desperate for cash.
Are there any future plans to upgrade Albertson stadium and expand the capacity beyond 36,800? It seems that would help attract top flight non league games besides Florida St on a home & basis.
Also any plans to upgrade the schedule by getting rid of the Louisiana/Lafayette game in 2016 or even worse the home & home with Troy in 2017 and 2018. Those teams have no attraction to Boise fans and do nothing for strength or schedule. Let the SEC feast on those patsies.
Last question, why doesn’t Boise ever schedule Pac12 teams besides the Washington & Oregon schools? Even for a 1 home, 2 away or neutral site game or even a one and done with the UCLA, USC, Arizona or Arizona St.
In regards to the last question. USC, UCLA and ASU have massive stadiums. Their profit margins aren’t going to be as high as bringing on a Fresno State, Virginia, or a New Mexico when you look at what Boise will charge vs. how many tickets they can sell. With few exceptions, when you see Boise play in a 50,000+ stadium, it’s because the game is organized by a third party and/or at a neutral site.
Besides, what recruiting benefit would going to the state of Arizona bring? Boise gets most of their players from California, Texas, Washington and Oregon. Why not play games in the states where the players’ families can come see them? They already have roughly one California game a year. If anything, they should being trying to get more games against Texas based teams.
If Boise wanted to play in the state of Arizona, they wouldn’t need to schedule ASU or Arizona, They can just win the Mountain West and get to the Fiesta. It’s a win-win!
Boise St has home-and-homes with ULL and Troy. Who do you propose as replacements for those home-and-homes? Are you going to pay big guarantees to FCS programs?
The reality is Boise St does not provide much attraction to most P5 programs. That is the payoff of winning a game in Boise St does not match that of losing a game in Boise St. The potential risk outweighs the potential reward. Certainly there are exceptions to the rule, but in general, as long as Boise St demands a home-and-home, most major P5 programs will not want to come to Boise. So if Boise St wants to continue bring major programs to grocery store stadium, it will be via 2-for-1 contracts. BYU is in the same situation. But the national perception is BYU is moving forward whereas Boise is taking a step back with Coach Petersen and TCU gone. Unless BSU receives in accidental invite to join the XII, the Bronco golden days can only be observed in the rear view mirror.
that is not the most positive response that I was hoping to read. it is getting weary beating up on the same MWC weaklings like UNLV, San Jose St. Wyoming, Hawaii and New Mexico.
What will it take to get Boise St. an invite to the Pac12 or Big12?
What will it take? About twice the academic standards they have now.
Actually, if you did a poll of BYU fans, the majority would tell you that they think their team never should’ve left the Mountain West.
Boise State getting an invite to the Big XII doesn’t seem as far-fetched as it might have a couple months ago. With TCU and Baylor getting snubbed by the playoff committee, the conference has to smarting and maybe thinking about expanding to 12 teams and adding a conference championship game. With 5 power conferences and 4 playoff spots, the Big XII as it is now is set up to be odd man out. And Boise didn’t exactly hurt their chances of being recruited with a third Fiesta Bowl win. If I was the Big XII I would be courting Boise and BYU.
Adding to previous comment, Boise State has been able to schedule series with some P5 programs (Florida St, Oklahoma St, Michigan St, Vrginia) because of the Broncos earned reputation as a top “mid-major” (since the dissolution of Big West Football Conference in 2000). If Boise St were able to effectively maintain this perception, then scheduling Boise St would continue to provide top P5 programs with a relative OOC SOS benefit.
But the problem is the relative strength of the MWC, with TCU, Utah and no longer in the conference, has diminshed and likely to remain so. Thus the SOS value of having Boise St on the schedule has decreased. So don’t expect many more of those marquee matchups to be played in Boise, at least as part of home-and-home contracts.
On the other hand the Broncos should continue to be in good enough position to schedule home-and-home series with the lower division P5 programs. But one-off neutral games will continue to be significant component of Boise St OOC schedules as they have been in the recent past (VT, Georgia, Ol Miss). As well as an annual BYU game.
With that said time, it’s for another Oregon-Boise St series, and for the Ducks to get over the 2009 debacle.
Should be “…with TCU, Utah and BYU no longer in the MWC conference”. And Virginia SIC.
Boise St has enough “market power” to attract smaller market P12 & XII programs to play home-and-homes in Boise. However the problem is the P12 & XII 9-game conference schedules provides for only three OOC games. And some of those programs already have annual OOC rivalries (Iowa St-Iowa, Utah-BYU, Colorado-Colo St) so getting those programs on the schedule is more difficult.
In the near term, the Broncos have a Hawaii exemption in 2016, and both Arizona and Texas Tech have a 2016 opening. And Kansas St has openings in both 2016 & 2017 and Snyder likes to keep his OOC schedule relatively “manageable”.
Texas A&M cancelled the 2016-17 series with Oregon so the Ducks have openings both seasons, But the Ducks need a P5 OOC opponent. However an Oregon-Boise St series in 2020-21 is a possibility.
Maybe when the Albertson’s-Safeway merger sells more potatoes, Boise State can further expand the blue turf stadium.
You bring up excellent points Ricky… The fact is the MWC lost a lot when TCU, Utah and BYU bolted, and maybe they’ll never recover from that blow… With that being said the MWC is the arguably the best of the G5 conferences and BSU is arguably the best and most attractive team out of all the mid-majors… and also arguably better than most bottom tier programs in major conferences… My point is, that a OOC game vs. BSU for a P5 team will bolster their strength of schedule as long as BSU remains competitive…
I understand a win over BSU will not look as good as a win over, say Florida State, but it will look good. BSU needs to worry and take care of what they can control and if they do that they’ll probably emerge as a great opponent for a OOC game for any team in the country.
A series with Oregon will have to wait until maybe ’19 & ’20 as both the Ducks and Broncos have already filled up their OOC slots unit 2019, regardless, if agreed upon, that’ll be a great series for the Broncos…
But with that exemption in 2016 that the Broncos have, maybe they can perhaps schedule a marquee neutral site game for the right amount of money….
I really do think that Boise State could do better (strength of schedule) if they moved away from MW & became Independent!! We all know ESPN would for sure give them a handy TV deal… Plus we know they won’t do…
Im pro independence too. Thing is that’ll it’ll still be hard to get quality opponents for home-home series… It’ll be just as hard as it is today with the added difficulty of needing to fill out an entire schedule!!!
I still think BSU could score series with the Indiana’s, Illinois’s, Iowa State’s and Louisville’s of the world. Plus the higher tier non-P5 teams will also schedule BSU… I believe it should be something to consider if BSU ends up not getting the coveted P5 invite.
There’s no chance ESPN gives them a TV deal. The Idaho is much smaller than what ESPN usually does deals for. Teams like Texas or BYU have national followings, the kind of which unfortunately, the Broncos don’t have.
If not for a TV deal, why would going independent be worthwhile? Even Notre Dame needs a partnership with a conference in order to fill out their schedule.
How does Utah get a home & home with Michigan and Oregon State only gets a road game @ Michigan? and TCU gets a home & home with Ohio State and Oregon State , again only gets a road game. Oregon State’s stadium is the slightly larger than Utah’s and the same size as TCU. What gives?
Truth is Utah never got a ‘home and home’ with Michigan. It was announced as a home and home only after Utah played a ‘one and done’ at Michigan a couple years prior. So really it was a 2-1.
Dream on Jeff. Unlike BYU’s seemingly endless string of 2-for-1s with P5 teams and their upcoming ONE-AND-DONE with Michigan, Utah actually scheduled a HOME-AND-HOME with Big Blue after being invited to join the Pac-12. The 2008 Utah/Michigan game played absolutely no part in Utah’s current HOME-AND-HOME arrangement with the Wolverines.
I imagine buying a 1 and done from a p5 school is pretty expensive, maybe Oregon State wanted a big payday more than 2 beat downs at the hands of the buckeyes?
Oh and how exactly does this article turn into a BYU-Utah pissing match?
Ute truth. Utah has ZERO p5 home games scheduled other than the mandatory fellow p12 teams. This leads anyone with a reasonable mind to conclude Utah has no clout to schedule home/home with p5 conference teams. Please give a shout out when and IF Utah ever schedules a non-conference power 5 team at home. The pre-arranged 2-1 Michigan series does NOT count. Not only does BYU schedule every p12 team home/home, it ALSO gets other p5 home/home match ups…ie; Georgia Tech, Viginia, something Utah can’t get done.
“Not only does BYU schedule every p12 team home/home”
Well that right there proves you don’t know what you’re talking about – they’re doing a one-off with Michigan not unlike Bowling Green or Appalachian State.
Texas is a huge recruiting ground, and playing a game there is of great value, even if it’s “just” Ft. Worth. Oregon doesn’t compare in that regard and the Beavers aren’t on the level of the University of Oregon in terms of exposure.
The Utah/Michigan deal was made as part of the planned scheduling agreement between the B1G and P12.
@ Jeff – You truly are a clueless. BYU doesn’t schedule every Pac-12 team home and home, they have 2 for 1s with Arizona and USC, and have scheduled 2 for 1 with Wisconsin, Texas, and Notre Dame. They also have scheduled one and dones @ Ole Miss, TCU, Michigan, Nebraska, and West Virginia. BYU is a joke and plays a WAC schedule. By the way, Utah scheduled Michigan as part of the planned B1G/Pac-12 scheduling agreement that ended up falling through. Only a complete moron would believe it was a 2 for 1.
You’re drinking a lot of Hater-ade there, Jeff. So many BYU fans are green with envy about the Utes being in the Pac-12.
I guess its never good enough? Tough being a buckeye. Doesnt matter who they schedule, it will never be good enough. They(buckeyes) dont do any different than what the other top 5 teams do. The truth is, the Big ten is strong again and the Buckeyes will play enough top 25 teams from the respected conference.
I think part of it for the big ten and the other 9 game conferences is the years they have 4 home conference games , to make sure the 3 non-conference games are at home, to make sure they get the 7 total home games each year. Especially with the schools with the big stadiums. Probably the years they have the 5 home conference games they will try to fit a road or nuetral game in.
Shep, I said p12….not p5.
Which still proves you don’t know what you are talking about. BYU has scheduled 2 for 1s with Arizona and USC.
UNLV? How about a neutral site with a top Power-5 team
They have 5 B1G road games including Nebraska, Iowa, and Michigan, plus a home OOC with Oklahoma. They also have B1G games Michigan State and Penn State at home. They are hardly ducking tough games. UNLV is the only G5 game scheduled, although I expect a 7th home game against a G5 opponent. That makes 10 P5 games
They replace North Carolina with Oregon State in 2018 also, which is hardly a easy game, and they travel to TCU still. So 11 P5 opponents, and one home game to be scheduled, probably a G5. Again no ducking here.
Frankly most of the P5 are not ducking the tougher schedules. Everyone seems to be adding a P5 OOC game or two.
Ute truth, show me evidence of a 2-1 with Arizona. I’ve seen a 1-1-1 in all media reports. Want to debate the neutrality of the Phoenix game ? I have a feeling if the university of Illinois was playing Notre Dame in Chicago one would not think of it as a home game for Illinois simply because it’s in the state of Illinois. I expect more BYU fans attend.
True the USC matchup is the only 2-1 scheduled, however, your memory is selective and you are forgetting about BYU’s home/home with USC in the early 2000s, something Utah could never get done.
LOL. You actually believe that crap. Sorry, but that “neutral” game in Phoenix will draw many more Wildcat fans than it will Cougars, at least 2:1 but most likely 3:1 or 4:1 in favor of Arizona.
And the fact that BYU could get a home and home with USC as a member of the MWC and is now taking 2 for 1s from them should tell you just how far BYU has fallen in the eyes of P5 teams.
By the way, Utah has home and homes with USC from 2011 through FOREVER! Hahahahahaha!!!!! Sucks to be you guys!
Any idea what Ohio State is paying Oregon State for this one? Guarantees for FCS schools seem to go in the $300,000-$500,000 range, G5 seem to get more. I think that I remember Ohio State paying Colorado $1.4M. Can’t be cheap to pay a P5 school to travel that far.
Ute truth, look, another BYU/pac12 home and home series announced today! I think that makes all league teams which includes September and November match ups. Goes to show Utah’s only claim to fame is their p12 schedule which is not that big of a deal. Once again, wake me up if Utah ever schedules an out of conference p5 home/home series.
Looking forward to an OSU-OSU game! :)
After looking at the PAC-12 OOC schedule, there is not much difference then the SEC OOC, PAC-12 plays 9 Conference games while the SEC tries to make up the 9th Conference game with a big name opponent. Bama vs W Virginia, Florida vs FSU…etc….
You, sire, are an idiot. Everyone of these teams is playing a road away game. Road games are hard in college football. Also, most of the Pac 12 plays a power 5 team on top of a 9 game schedule. Go back to Bama or wherever the hell you’re from, marry your cousin, and start making trolls instead of being one.
Eastern Wash WILL beat U-DUB!
Not this year, sonny!
When you say “the SEC tries to make up the 9th Conference game with a big name opponent’ you only list two examples. Why? Two programs do not make up the SEC, therefore the statement above has no rationale. The following six SEC programs have no ‘big name’ opponent on their 2014 schedule.
Missouri: Indiana / UCF / @Toledo / So Dakota St
Missi: Boise St (Atl) / Memphis / ULL / Presbyterian
Texas A&M: @SMU / Rice / ULM / Lamar
Vandy: Temple / Mass / Old Dominion / Charleston Southern
Miss St: So Miss / UAB / @So Alabama / UT Martin
Arkansas: @Texas Tech / No Ill / UAB / Nicholls St
On the flipside Georgia has two strong opponents (Clemson and GT). Where each of the remaining six programs play one strong opponent and three relatively weak opponents.
The point being making a general blanket statement about an entire conference OOC schedule most often fails. One must evaluate each programs entire schedule individually when comparing programs with three game OOC schedules with those playing 4 OOC games.
But I would suggest the MWC and the AAC are relatively stronger conferences than the MAC, which then is relatively stronger than CUSA and SunBelt. So scheduling MWC/AAC programs will likely receive higher SOS weighting than sheduling MAC and CUSA/SunBelt programs.
For 2014, I suggest the SEC has as many programs with relatively weaker overall schedules as does the PAC-12. And the opposite is true. The PAC-12 has as many programs with relatively stronger overall schedules as does the SEC.
Utah playing home to Idaho State and Fresno State has to be in the conversation. Their other game is against Michigan.
Except Utah will lose to Fresno St.
Utah will beat Fresno state
Fresno will take it to utah. utah will start 1-2 and be lucky to have 3 wins on the season. PAC added utah just to pad the schedule of other teams. Just look at how well it has worked across the board in all sports.
This is a pretty funny thread. Bob and Ray were wrong.
Those are some weak schedules. UW schedule had more to do with the departed coach.
Good luck at usc.
Nice to see that the Huskies are finally taking a page out of the Quack playbook. Play soft, play often.
LMAO at those who thought Utah would lose to Fresno State. In what universe did you expect that to happen?
Washington Huskies have been the KIng of weak schedules in the Pac 12 for years.
Their nonconference basketball games are all cupcake teams, and they play them all at home.
Sad, but true. We can always go back and watch the 1990-1992 games. 2015 is going tombe along year @ Washington with more losses, more no shows in the stands and no,crappy n3rd tier bowl to go to and lose.
P.S. their is always Crew ,
Hey Scott Woodard! What gives? Nothing but crap non league games till 2020 and then only one decent game a year? What is the story? Seattle is too far to travel but Berkley is not? FCS kings is the new UW mantra. Crappy home schedules mean unsold tickets. I know, everyone is afraid to play the UW, especially after their last 15 years of dominance (yuk yuk).
Wow, no game with Montana since 1951 and then 2 in 4 years. Washington gets North Dakota , not even North Dakota State. Your ABC theory of scheduling has become BCDor BDD. It is important to always have a 7th home game, so that you can always have al least 2 and possibly 3 crappy homes now that Colorado is in the Pac12. No wonder season ticket sales are falling.?
Where are the defenders of Washington’s crap schedules? Trade UCLA/USC evey year for Utah and Colorado and add in 1-2 FCS games and Rutgers and BYU. What a way to man up and pay Petersen 3.8 million a year.
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