Ok this is two Pac 12 teams playing an FCS team. Where is the bashing and hate?
Because in addition to playing this FCS team, or weaker G05 teams, these teams are challenging themselves OOC. 9 conference games plus one strong P5 isn’t like playing patsies with all of your OOC games (and maybe only 8 conference games). Oregon has Ohio St (twice) Auburn, Nebraska (2x), Virginia, and Michigan St. in the next seven years. The teams that get bashed have a diet entirely made of cupcakes.
is Auburn not playing Oregon too? But they get slammed for playing Jacksonville State. Whats the difference? SEC hate I guess. Two faced haters
not true Saxon you bash Auburn yet mention them in this post. Got to be fair!!!!!
So LSU gets slammed for scheduling an out-of-state FCS school. Bama gets slammed for not playing an in-state school, etc. “So, why doesn’t Washington schedule in-state FCS Eastern Washington??? Where’s the outcry? Why is Oregon sending money to Montana that should go to Portland State and stay in state?” The inconsistencies of the SEC attackers exposed. Unlike the PAC, the SEC also doesn’t have a Colorado that hasn’t efforted any improvement since leaving the XII for the PAC and instead has become lower MW-quality. Compare CU against the SEC’s Kentucky, who works to improve and upgrade…. But anyway, back to wondering why they’ll play Montana, but not an in-state FCS instead….
It’s ok for Washington to schedule a Montana cause they play 9 conference games. Because the extra game with Colorado is so big & means sooooo much!. People luv to bash the SEC cause their relevant but will never bash another conference for doing the same.
Montana is a solid FCS program that could defeat the bottom 1/4th of FBS.
Jacksonville State beat Ole Miss a few years ago but that does not matter. If they SEC schedules an FCS school it is a joke. If a Pac 12 teams does it you find an excuse for it….SAD
Nothing wrong with 8-game conference schedule! Do you know how hard it is to win on the road in the SEC? If an SEC team played 5 conference games on the road, that puts them at a disadvantage every other year to go to ATL. I do agree the SEC should play a P5 every year, and stop playing a “neutral site” game every year (yea, im referencing you BAMA!)
Several SEC schools have scheduled TWO FCS schools in a single year. I’ve never heard of a non-SEC school doing that.
Washington plays at least 1 FCS school every year, land at leat one other weak non Power5 team. Last year Eastern Wash and Georgia State, This year Sac St. Next year Portland State and Idaho, usually one of the worst teams in the country.No top notch teams like oregon schedules evey year until 2020 when they play Michigan. A weak out of conference schedule is the new mantra until they began to achieve success on the field.
name those schools RUS? Last time I’v e sen this done was by FSU in 2008. They are in the south but not the SEC> Dig deeper my friend.
Go Check out NC State, Wake Forest and Ga Tech before you mention SEC schedules. Te site is called fbschedules.com do you ever look at any of the schedules?
2017 Season and beyond are hard to tell the “whole” story at this point with much scheduling to occur, but looking at 2016 we have these points to ponder. Using the P5 Non-Conference Strength of Opponent Scale of 3 Points for a P5 opponent, 2 Points for a FBS opponent, 1 Point for away game and 0.5 Points for neutral site game over 120 miles from home stadium we have this for the 2016 season; ACC average score of 2.34 with 87.3% of NC scheduled, PAC 12 score of 2.20 with 97.5% scheduled, SEC with a 2.12 score and 87.5%, Big 10 with a score of 2.11 and 100% completed, and The Big 12 with a 2.00 score and 96.7% in the books. Only The Big Ten is locked in with their score having all NC games scheduled for 2016, it will be interesting to see who the ACC and the SEC schedule with still over 12% of their NC games to schedule yet for 2016. Nice to see all conferences at this time at a minimum of 2.00 score, this hasn’t happened forever.
P5 NC Strength of Schedule per conference in 2015 are; Big 12 with 2.18, ACC with 2.19, Pace 12 with 2.15, The Big 12 with 2.07, and The SEC with a 1.81 average team score. By the way the SEC consistently ranks last in strength of NC scheduling, it again will be interesting to see what The SEC as a whole does with their last remaining 2016 NC games to be scheduled.
That’s the Big 10 with the 2.18 score. SORRY>
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Just another non Power 5 team for the Huskies who don’t have a name Power 5 opponent until Michigan in 2020. Scoot Woodward wants 7 home games every year-quality is of no importance and as a result the Huskies only have 4 power 5 non leagues in the next 7 seasons with 2 of them being unexciting Rutgers.
The lack of posts from Husky fans show just how unexcited they are with AD Woodward ‘s passion for Big Sky and mid level Mountain West teams.
Dave, you may be a little harsh on the Washington program. Yes, it doesn’t look strong 3 of the next 7 years, but for most all the years leading up to this span you have mentioned UW has one of the most complete non-conference schedules played, playing 1 or 2 P5 programs every year and both home and away. Could only imagine if an average SEC school would take on a typical schedule the Huskies have. Agree, not to exciting, but their history for the most part is solid.
not sure why UW gets singled out for their schedule they play 9 conference games and a p5 non conference most years, so that is 10 p5 per year. An ambitious Sec schedule is 8 conference games plus one non conference p5 for a total of 9. If UW some how goes undefeated and is in the playoff conversation than yes the schedule should be scrutinized closely.
Sorry to disagree, but when you spend 250 million for atop notch stadium, hire away one of the top coaches in the country, one would expect more than a Big Sky dominated schedule with a smattering of Mountain West teams and a Power 5 (Rutgers) in name only, there is nothing to get excited about- but when a single home game against BYU in 2018 is the only moderately interesting non league game until 2020′ then I think the criticism is just. Just because they had quality non league schedules in the past is no reason to go over board and give us 1-2 cupcakes everyone year and only a medium second tier team like Rutgers as your top OOC is an insult to their fan base.
Fair enough. Point taken.
Sad reality is that the Pac-12’s use of the 9 game conference schedule replaces the need of having an elite non-conference game. Why disadvantage yourself even further against other conferences using an 8 game schedule. If you happen to win enough… the Pac-12 championship game “fills in” as your elite game. Funny thing is last year Chris Petersen voted against power5 teams playing against group of 5 teams. Woodward has been scheduling opposite of that viewpoint. Either way Huskies just need to focus on winning games… no matter who’s on the schedule. And yes, I am a Husky fan.
I think UW should just schedule both Boise and BYU yearly, or a 2 year on 1 off deal. I surmise both of those schools would love it and mutually beneficial for all three. Then just add in a usually mid-tear team P5 squad like Rutgers this season or Illinois like last year. They drew over 62K for their games vs. Eastern Washington and Illinois. Not sellouts, but with Boise or BYU in town the attendance will get a bump.
Being that BYU and Boise are the best two regional draws they have, it is a pretty shrewd move. so on most years their schedule will look like:
1.) @ Boise
2.) vs. BYU
3.) vs. or @ P5 team.
That’s a pretty commendable non-con slate. Hands down better than the one “neutral site” match up the first week of the season and then two or three body bag games model so many other schools employ.
In off years maybe try to schedule an Oklahoma or another Big12 upper tier team or Iowa or Nebraska along with the BYU/Boise combo.
Then C.P. just needs to win that PAC-North and get the ball rolling.
That would be nice, but it will never happen. Even tough Washington’s stadium is twice the size of Boise State’s, Boise no longer schedule 1 and done or 2 away 1 home game schedules with larger schools with bigger stadiums. The UW has never gotten BYU to do more that home & home schedules, although BYU has done that with other PAC12 schools like USC and Stanford and of course Notre Dame.
What the Huskies need to do is stop aggressively scheduling Big Sky and other FCS opponents like they have done lately. My gosh they have 10 games scheduled between 2014-2021 with the havenots from the Big Sky and Big Sky equivalent Idaho. No wonder there are so many unsold tickets and noshows for those games. Just look at the Georgia State game last year, 10,000 unsold tickets and another 10,000 plus in no shows.
BYU and Stanford have only played home and homes. The only Pac-12 schools, and BYU has played them all, to get lopsided deals from the Cougars since the 1970s are the recent series with USC (2@SC, 1@BY to get ball rolling on BYU-P12 on Thanksgiving, 6 Thanksgiving games are now scheduled) and Arizona (2@A, 1@BY, 2N that Arizona leveraged when BYU needed out of a 2020 game.)
On the other end of the spectrum, BYU and Washington State have played 4 times and never in Pullman.
No, Dave I meant do a home and home for two years and then take a season or two off and reschedule another homer and home, and then like you said try to slip in a ND or BIG 10 or 12 team. I just think it behooves UW and Boise and BYU to always be playing one another.
BYU’s 2018 and 2019 schedules are looking pretty legit.
2018 – Road games at Arizona, Wisconsin, Washington, Boise St, and Utah. Home games against Utah St., Northern Illinois, and Hawaii.
2019 – Road games at Virginia and Washington St (and presumably Utah State). Home games against Wisconsin, USC, Boise St., and Washington (and presumably Utah).
Presuming that BYU and Utah extend their series beyond 2018, BYU will play at least 3 or 4 PAC 12 teams in 2016, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2023. Only two PAC 12 opponents so far in 2017 and 2022.
BYU may be over scheduling tough games. Playing 5 P5’s plus Boise State and usually another 2 decent mid majors every year like NIU, Fresno St, ECU means they might find themselves not bowl eligible some years. Look at 2015, the irst 4 games include 3 teams that will likely be ranked Michigan, Nebrasks, UCLA and they also have Boise week 2 which is a team that has had their number and week 5 is ECU. They will underdogs in all of those games except ECU, which will be a toss up.
Yeah, ’18 and ’19 are looking great for BYU. Great to see more home and homes as well. They’ve got to kill these upcoming schedules in the next couples of years that should be easier for them.
BYU is definitely over-scheduling compared to its history. However, there will still be plenty of Hawaii, UNLV and SJSU type games to pad the win-loss record. BYU could go 3-5 against the currently scheduled 2018 opponents and still finish bowl eligible with the lighter part of the schedule.
Overall, I think the more competitive schedules will get BYU’s fan base excited and will give BYU a chance at the CFP if they have a magic season. Right now, BYU could go 12-0 and still whiff on the CFP because of lack of marquee games.
Michigan is going to be playing 11 P5 opponents in 2020 and 2021 as they have 9 conference games and OOC Vtech and Washington.
Schoup. don’t get too excited because BYU plays 5 P5 teams. Each P5 plays a minimum of 8 or 9 P5’s. 9 or 10 is the norm. That’s pretty good for a mid-major but nowhere near enough to be considered a playoff hopeful.
BYU is a midmajor so playing 5 P5’s a year is a harder for them
There aren’t many ACC, Big 12, or Big Ten teams that play a lineup that includes Wisconsin, USC, Washington, Utah, and Boise St. caliber teams.
They have to make room for Wake Forest, NC State, Duke, Pitt, and Boston College on the schedule and usually have at least two cupcake OOC opponents, often FCS, MAC, and Sun Belt level opponents. At most, there are 3 or 4 upper-tier games.
The biggest difference is that they can claim that Wake Forest, Kansas, and Indiana are “Power 5” opponents, where in reality, Boise St., Utah St., and Northern Illinois would actually be tougher competition.
BYU needs to load up September. The only way to get a P5 teams to work with them on an October or pre-Thanksgiving November date is for September to already be booked and that opponent needing a quality game enough to co-operate.
Huskies vs Wolverines!!! I will be there!!!! This is really exciting and their my two favorite teams.
Regardless of this, most years, U Dub’s non-conference schedule has two patsies and they are loaded with Div I-AA schools throughout. Big 10 schools are shunning Div I-AA. I’m not impressed.
The Washington AD does not care what the fans say or think. he wants cupcakes- at least 2 every yea-this year there were 4 with Washington playing unmotivated against all of them except for Illinois. With the big 10 weak, we get Illinois and Rutger-Isn’t that great-2 of the weakest teams from a down league.
After looking at the PAC-12 OOC schedule, there is not much difference then the SEC OOC, PAC-12 plays 9 Conference games while the SEC tries to make up the 9th Conference game with a big name opponent. Bama vs W Virginia, Florida vs FSU…etc….
You, sire, are an idiot. Everyone of these teams is playing a road away game. Road games are hard in college football. Also, most of the Pac 12 plays a power 5 team on top of a 9 game schedule. Go back to Bama or wherever the hell you’re from, marry your cousin, and start making trolls instead of being one.
Eastern Wash WILL beat U-DUB!
Not this year, sonny!
When you say “the SEC tries to make up the 9th Conference game with a big name opponent’ you only list two examples. Why? Two programs do not make up the SEC, therefore the statement above has no rationale. The following six SEC programs have no ‘big name’ opponent on their 2014 schedule.
Missouri: Indiana / UCF / @Toledo / So Dakota St
Missi: Boise St (Atl) / Memphis / ULL / Presbyterian
Texas A&M: @SMU / Rice / ULM / Lamar
Vandy: Temple / Mass / Old Dominion / Charleston Southern
Miss St: So Miss / UAB / @So Alabama / UT Martin
Arkansas: @Texas Tech / No Ill / UAB / Nicholls St
On the flipside Georgia has two strong opponents (Clemson and GT). Where each of the remaining six programs play one strong opponent and three relatively weak opponents.
The point being making a general blanket statement about an entire conference OOC schedule most often fails. One must evaluate each programs entire schedule individually when comparing programs with three game OOC schedules with those playing 4 OOC games.
But I would suggest the MWC and the AAC are relatively stronger conferences than the MAC, which then is relatively stronger than CUSA and SunBelt. So scheduling MWC/AAC programs will likely receive higher SOS weighting than sheduling MAC and CUSA/SunBelt programs.
For 2014, I suggest the SEC has as many programs with relatively weaker overall schedules as does the PAC-12. And the opposite is true. The PAC-12 has as many programs with relatively stronger overall schedules as does the SEC.
Utah playing home to Idaho State and Fresno State has to be in the conversation. Their other game is against Michigan.
Except Utah will lose to Fresno St.
Utah will beat Fresno state
Fresno will take it to utah. utah will start 1-2 and be lucky to have 3 wins on the season. PAC added utah just to pad the schedule of other teams. Just look at how well it has worked across the board in all sports.
This is a pretty funny thread. Bob and Ray were wrong.
Those are some weak schedules. UW schedule had more to do with the departed coach.
Good luck at usc.
Nice to see that the Huskies are finally taking a page out of the Quack playbook. Play soft, play often.
LMAO at those who thought Utah would lose to Fresno State. In what universe did you expect that to happen?
Washington Huskies have been the KIng of weak schedules in the Pac 12 for years.
Their nonconference basketball games are all cupcake teams, and they play them all at home.
Sad, but true. We can always go back and watch the 1990-1992 games. 2015 is going tombe along year @ Washington with more losses, more no shows in the stands and no,crappy n3rd tier bowl to go to and lose.
P.S. their is always Crew ,
Hey Scott Woodard! What gives? Nothing but crap non league games till 2020 and then only one decent game a year? What is the story? Seattle is too far to travel but Berkley is not? FCS kings is the new UW mantra. Crappy home schedules mean unsold tickets. I know, everyone is afraid to play the UW, especially after their last 15 years of dominance (yuk yuk).
Wow, no game with Montana since 1951 and then 2 in 4 years. Washington gets North Dakota , not even North Dakota State. Your ABC theory of scheduling has become BCDor BDD. It is important to always have a 7th home game, so that you can always have al least 2 and possibly 3 crappy homes now that Colorado is in the Pac12. No wonder season ticket sales are falling.?
Where are the defenders of Washington’s crap schedules? Trade UCLA/USC evey year for Utah and Colorado and add in 1-2 FCS games and Rutgers and BYU. What a way to man up and pay Petersen 3.8 million a year.
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I find it odd how Oregon doesn’t play at Oregon State on a Friday.
Cleaned up the non-conference paragraph. Thx,
When’s the 2014 helmet schedule coming out?
Are those Thursday and Friday games the only ones for sure, or is it possible to have more?
I think we took the wrong teams from Utah and Colorado.
Who else could of possibly of gotten? You got one of the top teams in a non-automatic conference and one of the bottom teams in the Big 12. The thing with Utah is that they are playing tougher competition, and we all know that. It will be at least another couple years before Utah will be able to really compete in this conference
Colorado Is improving with out a doubt, and could be bowl-eligible this next year. Utah is adjusting but improving as well. You also have to remember that Colorado was rebuilding when the PAC took them in. The PAC took a rebuilding team and a team that was going to have to adjust from competition stand point. I think they knew exactly what they were getting
1. Oregon 8-1 10-2
2. Stanford 5-4 7-5
3. WSU 4-5 7-5
4. Washington 3-6 7-6
5. Oregon St 3-6 6-6
6. Cal 0-9 1-11
1. UCLA 9-0 12-0
2. USC 8-1 10-2
3. ASU 7-2 9-3
4. Arizona 4-5 7-5
5. Utah 2-7 4-8
6. Colorado 1-8 4-8
So Oregon would loose to UCLA… not very likely…
Oh, and Michigan State as well.
UCLA is going to have at least 3 conference losses. The top two teams will be USC and Stanford. Watch it happen.