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Maybe the two games Idaho has scheduled to play at Indiana will be cancelled, If so then Oregon-Indiana should schedule a home-and-home for 2021-22. The 2021 Oregon-Fresno St game can be pushed back a couple years. And Fresno St can play at Cal in 2021. And Idaho can play at Oregon in 2021 and 2022 (to keep travel costs down).
yes, both the Indiana games and Penn State will be cancelled. Idaho does not meet the scheduling requirement clause of either contract as B1G schools are not allowed to schedule FCS opponents.
The rest of the scheduled games will probably remain
Thanks for the info. Minnesota is scheduled to play South Dakota St in 2019. And Maryland is scheduled to play Towson in 2020. I assume these game were scheduled before the B1G changed their scheduling requirements, and are “grandfathered” in. But what is to keep the B1G similarly waiving the no-FCS requirement for the Indiana-Idaho games? It appears the B1G has provided various programs significant flexibility in regards to the new OOC scheduling requirements.
But I suspect the payout to Idaho would end up being much less, and the Vandals would rather opt out of traveling east in order to save funds for the struggling Athletic Department. So besides the Penn State road game (2019), I presume Idaho may end up dropping both Indiana road games, as well as road games at NIU (2018), at Temple (2020), and at Old Dominion (2022). Since time is short I’m gambling that the Idaho at Florida game (2018) will remain on the schedule, albeit at a much lower payout. Or has there already been a determination reported on the Florida game?
So does this mean we will see FCS schedules in the near future?
Can you at least include North Dakota State schedules. They are better than half of the FBS.
but does anyone really want to take the time to keep up with the schedules for ALL of the FCS teams and build a site for the 5 people who would give a rat’s a$$ about any teams beyond the one that they follow.
I’d like to see FCS schedules too!
This fills up Idaho’s 2017 schedule,by the way.
Is Idaho dropping back to FCS? When?
After the 2017 season.
plenty of other Big Sky schools for SJSU to court….
pretty accurate. SJSU was not going to pay Idaho $550,000. They tend to pay FCS schools the minimum. Nobody in San Jose wants to see Idaho, whatever their level. UC Davis, or Cal Poly would get more interest. And they can pay North Dakota, Portland State, or as they did recently New Hampshire considerably less
For Idaho it’s not only more money than SJSU would give them to convert the series to revenue trips to San Jose without return, but it’s also a game close to home where their own fans will attend. For WSU with Idaho as an FCS school it’s now cheap enough for them to schedule it.
Idaho with this cancellation now has room for 8 Big Sky games on an 11 game FCS schedule in 2018, 2019, 2020 while collecting some serious revenue. Pretty much a win for everyone.
I expect the Indiana series and the Penn State game to fall off the schedule next. The rest will probably remain, although LSU has leverage in their contract to force a lower fee negotiation if they want (but why bother?)
Nevada is the only FBS school still scheduled to visit Idaho beyond 2017. And that game will likely be canceled too.
How does Rob Spear still have a job…?
Someone has to manage the aftermath of a train wreck.
Who else wants to go live in Idaho?
Glad that SJS cancelled this series…..rather play a FBS school or a FCS school closer to home.
Karl Benson killed FBS football at Idaho. Should’ve seen this from the start – he’s a Boise State grad.
I’m surprised Idaho and NMSU aren’t suing the Sun Belt to end the relationship one year early. The way they were betrayed by Benson after he came through for them twice in the past (WAC membership in 2005, then Sun Belt FB membership) should be reason alone enough to end the agreement early.
There is precedent for such a move. If West Virginia hadn’t sued the Big East, they would have been forced to stay until 2014. West Virginia’s move inspired Pitt and Syracuse to sue to terminate their relationships early as well.
Sure, it had nothing to do with your football team being consistently crap. Should have stayed in the Big Sky where they belong.
You’re right, it was a personal vendetta and had nothing to do with the fact that the schools didn’t add anything except exorbitant and unnecessary travel costs and play in extremely small markets well outside of the footprint. WVU, Cuse, and Pitt all sued to get out so they could make more money in a different conference, why would Idaho sue to get out of the FBS guarantee money? Did you put any thought into this post at all?
Karl Benson killed football at Idaho? Sorry, but Idaho’s wounds were almost 100% self-inflicted.
1) Idaho hasn’t done any significant upgrades to it’s football facilities since 1975. The thought that they could be even competitive at the mid-major level in a facility that is overflowing at 17K is laughable at best.
2) They pay their coaches on par with the bottom of the barrel of the FBS and the high end of the FCS
3) They have never been pro-active with athletics and this isn’t the first time they have dropped down (they were in the PCC, forerunner to the PAC12) and they didn’t fight for inclusion in the new league. Instead they helped form the Big Sky and had no complaints dropping down to the lower division.
4) They are ranked nationally in academics but precious few outside of the region are aware of it, and they market their brand on a regional scale, and think of their brand on par with the PAC schools and that word of mouth is good enough to market their brand.
5) It’s idiot President, actually claimed Spokane’s media market for U of I (and didn’t even bother to mention U of I’s sizable alum in the treasure valley). Looking at various Spokane media outlets (ie Spokesman review), U of I gets billing after Eastern Washington of the Big Sky.
6) Other than winning the Big West in 1998, Idaho doesn’t have a title in football at the FBS level. They have also never played in a bowl game outside of the state. They have never won the WAC, never won the Sunbelt (which is now essentially a conference of Southeastern FCS Converts).
7) Considering that Idaho was in the WAC for 7 years (during Karl Benson’s tenure), and the fact that in terms of revenue and prestige it added absolutely nothing to any FBS conference your argument doesn’t hold up. Blame all the teams bolting the Big West for putting Idaho in that situation initially but the fact remains that the U of I has such a long history of being lazy in investing in it’s football program at crucial moments, that the wounds are almost completely self-inflicted. Idaho did absolutely nothing to make itself more appealing to perspective conferences.
Are you stupid? Commissioners have zero power in deciding membership. It was the other members who voted unanimously to kick you out. Moron. Drunk window diving is the only sport dUI has been good at for years. Pretty sure even the hillbilly SunBelt doesn’t sponsor that one.
The contract gives them the option of ending one year early if you bothered to read it.
Pete Liske and Elizabeth Sinser killed UI football by moving up to 1-A and leaving the Big Sky in the first place just so they could stay with Butt State (Boise), who didn’t even want them anyway.
Idaho has played in a bowl game twice (one that didn’t even exist when they made the move) in 20 years. Whereas they were almost 1-AA playoff regulars up until the early 90s.
Montana talks occasionally about moving up but it’s logistically impossible for a number of reasons. That’s why that conversation lasts usually less than a minute.
Idaho trying to compete at the 1A level was a disaster from the start…..Wyoming should up their guarantee for hosting Idaho, perhaps by $125K.
Agreed. I wish the NCAA would start enforcing attendance requirements as it would help thin the herds at the FBS level and leave only the programs that truly belong.
Hey JR EAD
JR, agreed. They allow for tickets distributed to count toward ticket sales. dUI for years gave away free tix but never had more than a few thousands actually in the stands. When the attendance requirement is 15,000 and their stadium is 16,000 it should be pretty easy for NCAA to realize that they aren’t meeting the requirement.
Wyoming injuring Idaho when the Vandals are already suffering is a bogus move. With Wyoming canceling on visiting Idaho, I do have not have any problem with Oregon cancelling visiting Wyoming. I hope that happens.
What is Wyoming’s incentive to play a home game in a remote location in a 17K stadium that won’t be filled? I think they already have an FCS team on their schedule, so a second FCS program doesn’t make sense. I’m no Wyoming fan, but seriously, Idaho shoulders the blame for this one.
JR, exactly. Idaho was still FBS when Wyo scheduled them (obviously for an easy win which the SEC does every year)). They already had an FCS team scheduled at home that same year. Rules state that to be bowl eligible with two FCS opponents you must then win seven not six games. So when dUI was dropped to FCS Wyo had to pick one to drop and they picked the away game. Guaranteed if Idaho was playing Laramie and the Wofford game was in South Carolina the would have dropped Wofford.
Seriously why would Wyoming play an FCS team on the road? I can think of two times that’s happened in about 20 years (Idaho was one oddly enough playing at Texas State in 1997–the other was Army at Yale last year). While Michigan playing a return game against ASU in Boone in 2008 (or LSU at Jacksonville State the next year) would have been hilarious) it’s not only unrealistic but quite frankly a joke, Besides, nothing stopping UI from getting games with Northern Iowa, NDSU, Eastern Illinois or something like that and actually having a home-and-home series instead of a one-off money trip to Tennessee or Nebraska or wherever.
I jumped the gun on my above comment. On second look, Idaho had four 2018 games scheduled against FBS opponents. They can’t play a full Big Sky conference schedule and have 4 OOC games. So something had to give and only on very rare occasions will a FBS program ever travel to a FCS stadium. I suspect the contracts for Idaho’s other previously scheduled OOC games are being renegotiated to much lower payouts. And expect the home games with San Jose St and Nevada to be canceled as well. Idaho knew all this was coming.
Expect Idaho to be playing guarantee games at the Northwest and other Pac12 schools more often. WSU, Utah and Arizona need a FCS opponent in 2020, and most of the Pac12 need FCS opponents in 2021 & 2022. (UCLA, USC, Stanford are not playing FCS programs and Colorado is booked up through 2024).
2018 – @Florida / @Fresno St / @NIU
2019 – @Penn St / @Wyoming / @SJ St
2020 – @LSU / @Temple / SJ St
2021 – @Indiana / Nevada / @SJ St /
2022 – @Indiana / SJ St / @Old Dom
Also Idaho was FBS when Wyo scheduled them and they already had an FCS opponent scheduled at home that year. When Idaho was dropped to FCS Wyo had to drop one and they chose the away game.
The Nevada game has already been cancelled too.
No doubt Penn St. will be dropping Idaho for 2019 now that the Vandals will be Div I-AA.
They’re allowed FCS schools if they were previously scheduled, I could see them leaving this one but at a lower rate.
Shep, but to be bowl eligible at 6-6 they can only have one FCS game, otherwise they need to be 7-5.
Shep, and already had FCS Buffalo on the schedule. They’ll chose to drop the one fans won’t be attending.
U Buffalo has been 1A for at least 8 years…..they are in the MAC
What are you people talking about, UB has been FBS since 1999.
I thought they were in CAA with Villanova. Just goes to show how much they matter.
Ha ha. Jeremiah doesn’t follow anything besides P5 football. Buffalo was in a bowl game for the 2008 and 2013 seasons. Albeit the now defunct International Bowl and the inFamous Idaho Potato Bowl.
Those 8 win seasons were their only winning seasons since joining FBS in 1999. Outside those years they’ve won 5 games only four times. I stand by my statement.
Oh, and I’m a Boise guy, so yeah I only follow P5 football.
It’s not announced yet, but San Jose State 2019 and 2021 games at Idaho will be cancelled. The home games in San Jose in 2020 and 2022 will remain on the schedule. Like Wyoming these will be converted into cash payment games for Idaho (were “in kind”).
There’s no need. SJSU doesn’t have other FCS schools scheduled and they’d be easy wins.
The info is from the Spartan Athletic department. SJSU does not play road games at FCS schools. The games at Spartan stadium will be played, and as with Wyoming converted to cash payouts for Idaho.
You can expect the future homes games against Nevada to be cancelled — they are not even scheduled — and the game in Reno converted to a cash game like with SJSU and Wyoming. Basically Idaho picks up 4 revenue games without lifting a finger.
The B1G scheduling requirements do not allow FCS schools, so the Indiana and Penn State games will be almost certainly be cancelled based on the “changing schedule requirements” clause triggered by Idaho dropping to FCS.
LSU has a walk away clause, but I expect they will simply renegotiate the fee down with the leverage, as Idaho still fills the victim role they want before their rivalry game against A&M (or Arkansas). Florida looks stuck, the language doesn’t give them an out – so a record FCS payout coming for that one (the date works for Florida, the week before FSU rivalry game).
The rest of the games (on the road) will likely stand as scheduled. There is not enough cash involved to bother, just eat it. (Note, NIU is a return game so no cash involved).
Stuart. Thanks for the that info, providing some clarity.
I predict the B1G will provide a waiver to allows Penn St to play Idaho in 2018 (of course assuming Penn St and Idaho can successfully renegotiate the payout). Minnesota is playing South Dakota St in 2018.
Make that 2019. And Maryland is playing Towson in 2020.
“JR, exactly. Idaho was still FBS when Wyo scheduled them (obviously for an easy win which the SEC does every year))”
So the SEC is the only conference that schedules Idaho? Please!
I’m obviously talking about the easy win part. If the SEC can do it anyone can.
Might have been the only game Wyoming won that year!
Hopefully we will be a little improved by then!
Wyoming gets an extra game in 2018 (Hawaii exception) so Idaho@Wyoming would be possible?
Answering my own question: Big Sky programs play eight conference games and three OOC games. So Idaho could not play @Wyoming, and also play the scheduled games @Florida, @Fresno St, and @NIU
Southland and OVC are pushing for full time 12 game FCS schedules, so that may be possible depending on when/if they can get that started.
Just like there are some years when the FBS schools have 2 bye weeks, the FCS schools would have room to play 12 games (with 1 bye week). Cal Poly played 12 games in 2014 and had a bye week. However, 2018 is not one of those years. 2019 and 2020 are though.
Many people were waiting for this to happen.
It’s the only way they could survive. NMSU needs to drop into the Southland, EMU football needs to join the MVFC, and UMass back into the CAA (their faculty senate is actually calling for a drop or removal of the program at the next hearing).
UMass isn’t going to go down to FCS. This was the 3rd time the faculty senate brought up this nonsense and the 3rd time that is was voted down. They are also a powerless body, all they can do is make recommendations to the Chancellor, and the Chancellor is probably the most ardent supporter of FBS football in the administration.
UMass is going to be fine in FBS, even with independence on the horizon. Already have three seasons scheduled as an indy with a 4th about halfway done at this stage which they can start adding to if necessary.
NBCSN wants more FBS football beyond the lone Notre Dame game they air each year. Perhaps NBC Sports can snag rights to UMass and NMSU’s home games (some on NBCSN, others on NBC Sports Live Extra) along with a package of Sun Belt games on NBCSN sub-licensed from ESPN (the Sun Belt is the only G5 conference at present with only one major national television partner; three others have ESPN and CBSSN, C-USA has CBSSN and Fox Sports).
The FBS conferences’ (and independents’) TV contracts could become more valuable in coming years, with the amount of changes I’m projecting in the college sports landscape, as far as realignment goes.
In FBS alone:
ACC adds Cincinnati and UConn
Big 12 adds Boise State, BYU, Houston, Memphis, SMU, Temple
American replaces their departing schools with UAB, Southern Miss, Charlotte, Marshall, Rice, and UTEP
C-USA replaces their departing schools with Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State, UL-Lafayette, UL-Monroe, Arkansas State, Texas State
Sun Belt replaces their departing schools with Central Arkansas, McNeese State, Lamar, Sam Houston State, James Madison, Liberty and non-football schools Florida Gulf Coast and UNC-Asheville
Air Force moves to football independence with a TV contact with CBS Sports Network, and moves most of its other sports to the Patriot League to be with the other service acadamies
The MWC replaces their departing schools with Montana and Montana State (being the first schools to join the MWC without ever being in the WAC), and adds Seattle as a non-football member to offset Hawaii’s football-only membership
The MAC adds Southern Illinois and Youngstown State as full members with football included, Cleveland State and Robert Morris as non-football members, and Fordham and Richmond in football only.
ZMan: Put down the bong gas mask, bro. Nobody wants Cincinnati to join their league. They have been begging to join 5 or 6 conferences and nobody has given them a sniff. Their programs are rotten to the core.
Scheduling requirements would include limit of 1 FCS school per year for FBS and only as home game. Also FCS limit on number of FBS opponents, and 1 fewer game. Hence it seems to me that the Penn State, San Jose State, Temple and LSU contracts are effectively easy to walk away from. The mutual agreement clause is likely to be invoked by both Nevada and Indiana as well.
Something is going to have to give in 2018. But Idaho is in the drivers seat. Wyoming has to cancel, they already have FCS Wofford on the schedule. Fresno State could keep them without penalty, they have no other FCS opponent. Same for Florida State (bad contract, Idaho can still collect a huge paycheck), but I expect them to try and renegotiate. For NIU it works like Fresno.
So everything after 2018 will go away painlessly. And for 2018, at least Wyoming, and maybe another school will buy out, actually giving Idaho some cash for not playing. Well done Mr. Spears
Interesting to see if Penn St & Indiana stay on the schedule considering the BIG no longer wants to play FCS.
Looks like the damages can be upwards to $15 million overall for UoI if all the schools demand payment. This is not looking good for UoI, I wouldnt be worried going to FCS as much as possibly needing to go down to Division 2 or worse pull the program. Hopefully they don’t turn into a Savannah State of a few years ago where only God stopped what could have been the biggest blowout in a game since November 9, 1980 when Portland State humiliated Delaware State by 105 points.
No good can come from this. It had not been since 1982 that FBS programs dropped to FCS, and with good reason – $$$ and TV.
NBCSN could have inked a deal with Idaho football to air their games, since the network is hungry for FBS football.
What exactly do you think the ROI would be with Idaho football airing nationally?
They were hungry for FBS football … but never hungry enough for Idaho football…. That was never going to happen
No one outside of Idaho is interested in Idaho football!
I heard that UMass is looking to do the same thing.
UMass faculty is pushing for that, but no one else is.
I’m sad to see Idaho drop to FCS. I think they should stay in FBS, and join together with UMASS, New Mexico State, Army, and then create their own East-West Football Conference by adding other FCS schools that want to move up to FBS like Liberty, Northern Iowa, SE Missouri State, Indiana State, Illinois State, Sacramento State, Eastern Washington, UC Davis, Portland State, Delaware State, Villanova, Sam Houston State, Stephen F. Austin, Chattanooga, Youngstown State, Montana and Montana State, and the list just goes on. The Power 5, and the rest of the FBS Conferences have created a stranglehold on FCS schools preventing them from moving up to better their football programs, bring in more revenue by blocking any move up to FBS unless invited by one of the other FBS Conferences! I think this “Collusion of Conspiracy” is in violation of the US “Anti-Trus Lawst” of or relating to legislation preventing or controlling trusts or other monopolies, with the intention of promoting competition in business. Time for a Major Lawsuit against every FBS School and the NCAA over this?
Are you high?
Lol! Its not that serious! Its college football!!
Are you one of those kookier CSNBBS posters?
I actually agree and think you have a point.
Perhaps some of those future Idaho opponents… can schedule each other? It would be a reasonable place to start.
For 2018, Fresno State v. NIU, and Wyoming v. Florida? Penn State could pick up Wyoming for 2019….
Should have never happened in the first place, it was Elisabeth Zinser and Pete Liske pushing for this just so they could keep up with Butt State (who didn’t really care about them anyway). Hell they had to play home games in Pullman for a couple years. Not only that, they actually played AT Texas State (then SW Texas State) in 1997 after the move to the Big West/FBS.
The benefits of playing money games surely can’t justify playing half your conference games in SEC-land. Besides, unless they outlaw FCS/FBS games in the future (a moronic idea for a variety of reasons) they can still keep some of them. Even if most of the Sun Belt is former FCS anyway.