The Cajuns could be joining NMSU in leaving the Sun Belt in 2018.
Only here, ULL is in my projections to become an all-sports member of C-USA, as are fellow Sun Belt schools ULM, Arkansas State and Texas State and OVC schools EKU and Jacksonville State.
This comes after C-USA would lose Charlotte, Southern Miss, UAB, Marshall, Rice and UTEP to the American who loses Cincinnati and UConn to the ACC and Houston, SMU, Memphis and Temple to the Big 12 (who also adds BYU and Boise State).
The Sun Belt would replace its lost schools with Southland members Central Arkansas, Lamar, Sam Houston State, and McNeese State, Big South schools UNC Asheville and Liberty, along with FGCU of the ASUN and James Madison of the CAA (all but UNCA and FGCU play football).
This is wishful thinking at best. SMU, Memphis & Temple add nothing to the BIG-12 but a couple of victories for Kansas, they would be doormats in that conference.
Not sure if C-USA could survive another hit from ACC & the SUN BELT should be fine since all they do is bring FCS schools in.
UTEP doesn’t move the needle for the American and is too far out west (in addition to not being relevant at sports). SHSU would most likely not make a move unless SFA joins them, but right now leaving the Southland would be bad logistically considered how close all of the schools are to one another. Nobody in their right mind would touch Liberty with a 10 foot pole, that school and its administration are a dumpster fire.
Sun Belt would take Lamar over SFA because Lamar has history in the conference, being there most of the 1990s.
More like a couple more losses for Kansas to endure. Only one of those four Kansas would want added is SMU. Memphis beat Kansas 55-23 last season and 43-7 this season, and I think Temple is vastly superior to Kansas at the moment, even with the coaching change. Not that any of that matters, Big 12 already said they aren’t expanding. Everything Z Man posted is just a pipe dream.
Big 12 could change its mind about expansion in a year or so if they still get left out of the playoff for example.
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Have you sent a FOIA request to New Mexico State to find out if they have scheduled other 2018 football games?
Sent one 10 days ago but they haven’t responded yet. Probably why this series was announced today.
I can confirm it is the reason. I contacted Moccia to ask when fans could expect the schedule, and he said sooner rather than later, and added a reporter filed a FOIA, so he contacted the schools to let them know he will be releasing the schedule. By January your FOIA will be moot.
Doesn’t matter to me. They are supposed to respond by Dec. 23, so either way there will be some more info released soon.
NMSU delayed their response to “on or before Jan. 4.” So likely we will see schedule info trickle out until then or there will be a single release.
Thanks Kevin. Us geeks love the info.
Any news come out on the FOIA you requested?
Came back yesterday. Only the Wyoming and ULL contracts.
ahh ok. Keep up the good work and thanks for the info. Was hoping for some juicy nuggets.
Geez. Poor NMSU. Only having weeks 0 through 2 scheduled seems like a bad spot. And a bad spot to negotiate reasonable contracts from. Hopefully UTEP and UNM will be good rivals and help fill later season dates in. Good luck to NMSU.
Wouldn’t there still be a New Mexico game each year? Kevin, you have annual games listed on UNM’s main page going far into future years.
UTEP? Seems to be a good home and home for UTEP’s fans, to just go north up I-10.
Regionally, “fellow” independent BYU still needs two games in ’18. The other major independent with no locked games, UMass, doing a pretty darn good job filling their schedules, already has 11 games.
They have a November advantage — in a way — offering any northern climate G5 or P5 school a chance to play in warmer climes in Las Cruces, for what it’s worth. Now that the Sun Belt doesn’t control those weeks late in the season, one might think a MAC or northern AAC team would go for a home and home if the trip to LC is near the season’s end.
I have to agree with you. I think Army tends to play 2 fcs teams a year. They can replace 1 fcs team with New Mexico state. I think unms should have 5-8 games a year roughly planned out a year. They could play the following schedule roughly each year:
2 money games
If nmsu wants they can try and schedule more money games. I know some SEC teams schedule late season cupcake teams. I doubt at least at this point that nmsu is much harder then a fcs team. Though they have the added benefit of being a fbs team. Most of the teams mentioned can be scheduled late in the season. Army, umass, and BYU are independent and in theroy schedule the games in November. One of the 2 money games could be the SEC late season ooc game.
NMSU only plays P5 teams in September for the most part, so no, the SEC could not add them on as a “cupcake” in November. Try playing some of the FCS schools, they’re not as easy as you think.
I was mentioning or thinking that nmsu is easier then some FCS teams. Nmsu will be independent in 2018 and on for now so they can be used as a November cupcake game. Though like you mentioned most P-5 conferences don’t have late season season open dates. I was thinking they could try and schedule the other independents during November. They could schedule umass, byu, and army for November. For the Army games it could be on a 3 game rotation home and home and neutral site. They could use the last November match-up against a Sec teams in the years a Sec teams needs a late season game. They could have a bye week or like dbrunstheworld mentioned they could be a team that teams use the Hawaii exemption on.
The only reason I bring up the Sec is that they use a late season open dates to not play a rivalry game
Usually that is. I’m sure they maybe able to play a package 12 team in October.
Correct on BYU. Conferences are going more and more to try to protect the last two weeks pre-championship for conference games. BYU will need games the week before travelling to USC and Stanford most years. Las Cruces much closer than Foxborough.
If Army, NMSU, UMass and BYU could plan together in scheduling, which is unlikely, they could have games the last three weeks of November versus one another. That round-robin would enable a championship game between the four the first week of December under current rules. That might be what is needed to lure UConn the remainder of the way toward Big East/Indy. But that doesn’t add a fifth team, that likely leads to more trickle-down changes when the American needs a team…Oh well.
“I know some SEC teams schedule late season cupcake teams.”
Try not to incite a whine-fest from O-Da-Doo-Da-Day and Billy Joe Bob with that comment. Then again, they only spew their idiotic platitudes about the SEC kingdom when the SEC is mentioned. So, they probably won’t even view this discussion.
As for Army. They are an Independent Service Academy. Hard to schedule for that. They need the East Coast games to negate travel toll on the players, in addition to one or two FCS games, plus a few vs. Power 5 Schools.
But with Monken on board now, they may be able to recruit up and be able to schedule a little tougher down the road.
You are so butthurt its not even funny. Can you go one day without talking about the SEC? This is why no one likes you on this website. Hang yourself.
” Then again, they only spew their idiotic platitudes about the SEC kingdom when the SEC is mentioned.”
You always spew your SEC bashing even when an article is not about the SEC like this one.
Butthurt is right.
The article did not mention the SEC, but a comment did, so I commented on that. Nice try, ladies.
I would have no problem with your comment if it had any relevance to the conversation. Biggs was talking about scheduling and when he mentioned the SEC, you chime in with the dull meaningless “all SEC football fans are dumb”. I’m an ohio state fan and i by no means like the SEC, but you simply are a biased whiny child with no critical abilities whatsoever.
Le Brown Jimmy,
Go back and quote on any other article where I posted, “All SEC fans are dumb.” I have never said that. I was attacked by SEC fans for posting thoughtful and statistically sound rebuttals to their arguments about the SEC being the best conference the bar none. I only reply with facts.
Cold hard facts. I just shrug off the insults due to the fact that they are so childish and actually now revel in the fact that you girls get your panties in a bunch every time I reply. if any of you actually responded with sound arguments it would be fun to discuss but since you are only intellectually able to tell people to hump their moms or sisters you get wheat you get.
You are probably some white teenager using a screen name as LeBron James and actually used, “Hang yourself.” as an end point to an argument.
You are so historically and verbally challenged in a catastrophic sense that it pains me to actually read what you type……..
You are kidding right? 1st, thanks for this comment:
” I was attacked by SEC fans for posting thoughtful and statistically sound rebuttals to their arguments about the SEC being the best conference the bar none. I only reply with facts.”
Thoughtful & statistically sound rebuttals ………Lmao!
No SEC fan attacked you, this started a couple of years ago when you were bashing Patrick Ryan about him defending the SEC & being a Clemson fan (don’t think I don’t know). Go back & see some of the comments you used to leave, talk about being childish & calling people names. I think your are the white teenager with all the add-ons & changing of people’s names, that is what an insult is, calling the SEC the SECLeast is an insult. I truly don’t think you are old enough to figure this out yet. To many people see through you by now, its to late to start (trying) to sound smart.
First off, i’m not white. What does that have to do with anything? Second, you claim that you don’t attack SEC fans. We all know that’s bullshit. You claim that when i used “hang yourself” that was part of my argument. I only said that because it’s a known fact that Shep and Maverick are the only people on this website that even remotely like you. Why do you even hate the SEC anyway?
To be honest with you, the SEC east is trash no argument there. However, the SEC west has been the best division for years until now. The SEC has also been the best conference for the past ten years. The SEC this year is mediocre at best. The BIG 10 s just starting to rise again, and we don’t even know if its really as good as it seems to be.
It is called,
Go look it up. Or try.
While NMSU’s biggest need is November games, this is great use by NMSU of Wyoming’s Hawaii exemption to play in August. Shifts the whole schedule ahead a week if Nov 17 & Nov 24 games cannot be found.
Bingo! Using the week zero exception was brilliant.
As for Independents, BYU might do a 2 for 1 deal, like they have done in the recent past with NMSU. If so you can pencil in October 13th or 20th in Provo. UMass also needs a home game, and a frigid November 24th is open … maybe better to end the season on the 10th.
November 10th and 17th are SEC patsy weeks before they play rivals. Ole’ Miss has the 10th open and my WAG is NMSU will be that patsy. Look for an FCS school in early November as well.
By the time NMSU starts their independence they could sign a deal with NBCSN to air their home games which could prompt moving many of their home games to weeknights to better facilitate TV coverage
NBCSN currently only has the Ivy League and the Bayou Classic as part of their college football coverage, wouldn’t hurt them to sublicense some Sun Belt games from ESPN and add UMass home games either.
Not even worth NBC sending the crew out
NBCSN is looking to get its hands on any college football they can at this point
Wyoming can schedule a fifth non-conference game (most likely a home game) because they play at Hawaii in 2018
A question for Kevin and others who’ve studied the Week Zero and Hawai’i/Alaska exemptions. Would it include playing games in Mexico? NMSU would be a natural to shift a game down to Mexico City or Monterrey the same weekend the NFL is playing a game down there. An international game would work well paired with the NFL game….
As the rule is currently written, it only applies to Hawaii:
220.127.116.11 Exception—Institutions That Compete in Hawaii. [FBS/FCS] An institution that is scheduled to play a regular-season game in Hawaii may play its first permissible contest with outside competition on the Saturday prior to the Thursday preceding Labor Day. If the institution’s first opponent of the season is not a member institution located in Hawaii, the institution’s first opponent of the season may also play its first contest (game or scrimmage) with outside competition on the Saturday prior to the Thursday preceding Labor Day. (Adopted: 4/28/16 effective 8/1/16)
Let me guess, one of War Memorial’s final games, oh boy how exciting.
The very last War Memorial game will almost certainly be Vanderbilt in 2018.
At least it’s an SEC team.
I would imagine one of NMSU’s final games in FBS, too.
NMSU is staying FBS. They have somewhat-locked regular games with rivals UTEP and New Mexico to build their schedule around. This contrasts with Idaho which couldn’t even get a game with Washington State one minute away. As long as SEC West, XII, and MW schools need OOC games, they should be able to fill their schedules. Plus, Las Cruces isn’t an unreasonable trip the way Moscow, Idaho was. For NMSU, they can fly into El Paso and bus up… or if they have a charter, fly right in to a decent airport. Plus, it’s a reasonably warm climate. Sorry, Idaho, you don’t have that.
So I guess Arkansas won’t also be playing Texas A&M on that same date as indicated on the “neutral site” list for 2017?
No, obviously it’s been moved.
Moved to when/where?
Well that would be a good question!
Well, it’s supposed to be played in Arlington thru 2024 at least I believe. Seems like with a pro stadium the dates would need to be worked out in advance to avoid conflicts with the Cowboys. Sorta like UF/UGA in Jax.
They were set in advance. Something has changed, will try to find out.
This does not make sense from a financial standpoint. With a ten-team line-up you can only have a maximum of 45 conference games. With a 12-team line-up divided into 2 divisions of 6 each, you can have an 8-game schedule for a total of 48 conference games (like the SEC, ACC, Big Ten and Big 12 used to do), or a 9-game schedule for a total of 54 games (like the Pac-12 does now). By cutting the number of conference games the Sun Belt is screwing themselves big time.
Idaho would also screw themselves if they dropped back down to FCS, something which hasn’t been done since 1982, as it would limit their TV exposure.
Somehow I doubt anyone is clamoring to pay top dollar to broadcast Idaho football.
No one is watching Idaho football on TV besides the home team fans of whatever major team they scheduled in Non-Con bodybag games. Last year they played USC and Auburn but those types of games typically only draw the most loyal Trojan or War Eagle fans. Same thing applies to the conference championship game. They won’t get anywhere near the money that the P5 conferences get as they won’t get anywhere near the ratings. The same rules for conference growth that help the SEC don’t apply to the Sun Belt.
incorrect. Those 48 games include 15 games involving the 2 associate members. This means only 33 games with full partners. Even just 8 games with 10 teams means 40 games with full equity partners. That’s a greater than 20% improvement per full SBC school in exposure and 2nd/3rd tier potential. This also impacts building rivalries which can be carried over to other sports like Basketball. Schools will on average play one more (in the “east”) and two more (in the “west”) full members each year in Football.
The Playoff distribution is now a flat $10m per G5 conference, so split 10 ways is better than 12 ways. Same for incentive bonuses if and when won for better placement in G5 by the SBC.
“The Sun Belt’s Presidents and Chancellors strongly believe it is in the best interest of the conference to have a core membership of 10 football teams that are geographically located within the ‘footprint’ of the conference and that these 10 members also compete in all conference sports.”
I wonder what Arkansas-Little Rock and UT-Arlington think about not being part of the “core membership”
Did you just stop at where you quoted and skip the rest of the statement?
“This decision, along with the full 12-team membership that goes into place for the 2016-17 season with the addition of Coastal Carolina University, will reduce travel demands and missed class time for all Sun Belt student-athletes – while also furthering the development of regional rivalries within the conference.”
Yes, it says “full 12-team membership”, but apparently Ark.-LR and UT-Arlington aren’t part of the “core membership”
Classless move by Sun Belt commissioner Karl Benson. It’s his fault NMSU and Idaho are in this boat to begin with. He was the commissioner at the WAC when they tried their brainless powerplay against the MWC to steal BYU. MWC retaliated by stealing Fresno and Nevada, thus starting the demise of the WAC. Benson jumped ship to the Sun Belt just before the WAC completely imploded. If anyone should be dumped it’s that moron.
That is true, but the Sun Belt schools not wanting to make trips from Georgia/Alabama/etc. to New Mexico and Idaho has a lot to do with this too.
You forget that NMSU and Idaho left the Sun Belt high and dry a few years back when the WAC came calling? So was that classless of those schools to leave for what they thought were greener pastures? Looks like it bit them in the ass.
I agree! Benson is to blame for this whole stinking mess! Idaho an NWSU should join UMASS, and create a new football conference by inviting 9-11 FCS schools to move up to FBS, I am sure there are more then 20 FCS schools from the West, Midwest and East that would gladly make the jump to FBS!?
Why won’t the Mountain West invite NMSU for all sports? They are not so hot at football but pretty decent in other sports, mainly basketball. What is the hold up there on the half of the MWC?
Idaho would be smart to accept the invitation of the Big Sky, they are already a member for all other (non-football) sports. Football-wise they would be competitive right away and the regional match-ups/increased wins would rally fan support.
As for the 10-team Sun Belt, why not just play 9 conference games (stop scheduling FCS games)? That way there would be a matchup for ever team and a conference championship could be won outright during the season.
The MWC wants nothing to do with NMSU. They have 12 members, and unless they want to add Idaho to have a regional rivalry with Boise State, there is no point in adding them.
Idaho need to return to the Big Sky. That is the only league i n which they have ever been competitive. Idaho is small school with a tiny population base to draw fans from. With no history of consistently winning, they are making the right decision to go back down to the Big Sky and end the hopeless quest to play with the big boys. Doe this mean that their future body bag games continue?
As of now, in coming years I am projecting the Sun Belt to lose Arkansas State, Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisiana-Monroe, and Texas State to C-USA to replace schools departing for the American (UAB, Marshall, Rice, UTEP, Southern Miss, Charlotte), which replace American schools departing for power conferences (Cincinnati and Connecticut for the ACC, and Houston, Memphis, SMU and Temple for the Big 12).
The Sun Belt then could add Liberty from the Big South, James Madison from the CAA, and four Southland schools: Central Arkansas, Lamar, McNeese State and Sam Houston State
The Sun Belt could additionally add two good mid-major basketball schools, UNC-Asheville also from the Big South, and Florida Gulf Coast from the A-Sun (neither of which has football), to have a 16-team line-up, which in basketball would be divided into an East Division consisting of the 8 Eastern Time Zone schools. and a West Division consisting of the 8 Central Time Zone schools. In addition to the two previously mentioned schools in this paragraph, Arkansas-Little Rock and Texas-Arlington would likewise not participate in Sun Belt football as these schools also lack football programs.
Going back to Big Sky football is about the worst thing Idaho could do. It’s been over 30 years since a FBS team dropped to FCS, and with good reason.
This is what will happen (I think):
The Big 12 will take Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, and Louisville. The ACC will take UConn to replace LOU. The AAC, now down to 7 teams, will have a semi-merger with C-USA. One conference will have: Marshall, ODU, ECU, Charlotte, UCF, USF, FIU, FAU, UAB, SMiss, MTSU, WKU, and Temple and UMass as FB only members. Navy will go back to football independence. The other conference will have NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Tulsa, SMU, Rice, LT, and Tulane, and Grand Canyon and UTRGV as non-FB members. Idaho will go to the Big Sky.
As for the remaining WAC members, Seattle will go to the WCC, Cal State Bakersfield to the Big West, Utah Valley to the Big Sky (non-FB), UMKC to the Summit, and Chicago State to the Horizon.
“The Big 12 will take Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, and Louisville. The ACC will take UConn to replace LOU. The AAC, now down to 7 teams, will have a semi-merger with C-USA. One conference will have: Marshall, ODU, ECU, Charlotte, UCF, USF, FIU, FAU, UAB, SMiss, MTSU, WKU, and Temple and UMass as FB only members. Navy will go back to football independence. The other conference will have NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Tulsa, SMU, Rice, LT, and Tulane, and Grand Canyon and UTRGV as non-FB members. Idaho will go to the Big Sky.
As for the remaining WAC members, Seattle will go to the WCC, Cal State Bakersfield to the Big West, Utah Valley to the Big Sky (non-FB), UMKC to the Summit, and Chicago State to the Horizon.”
Some of the projections I have are the same as yours, however, I have different projections for some others:
Cincy and UConn to the ACC as a pair
Houston and Memphis would be joined in moving to the Big 12 by SMU, Temple, BYU and Boise State
The American adds UAB, Marshall, Southern Miss, Rice, UTEP and Charlotte from C-USA
C-USA adds Arkansas State, LA-Lafayette, LA-Monroe and Texas State from the Sun Belt and Eastern Kentucky and Jacksonville State from the FCS OVC
The Sun Belt adds six FCS schools – James Madison from the CAA, Liberty from the Big South, and Central Arkansas, Lamar, McNeese State, and Sam Houston State from the Southland – and two non-football schools – FGCU from the A-Sun and UNC-Asheville from the Big South (both have decent basketball programs)
The WAC will see much change in its membership, but here is how it will go:
The three Central time schools will move to more geographically-appropriate conferences. You got Chi State right, but I see UMKC going to the MVC and UTRGV to the Southland
2 of the true Western schools will leave too – CSUB to the Big West as you mentioned, but Seattle will become the Mountain West’s first ever non-football member (to offset Hawaii’s football-only status); AIr Force will join Boise State in leaving the MWC, in this case for non-football membership in the Patriot League to be with the other service acads. Montana and Montana State take the places of those two in the MWC.
The WAC adds six schools from the D2 ranks – all located in the west and without football except for one.
RMAC schools Colorado Mines (football to Big Sky) and Metro State
Great Northwest schools Alaska-Anchorage, Alaska-Fairbanks (Alaska becomes the last state to have full-time D1 schools), Seattle Pacific and Western Washington
There are many more changes I am projecting, but I can’t be bothered to list them all now.
And don’t be shocked if North Dakota goes to the Summit League, and MVFC for football
There are issues preventing the 2 NDak schools from being in the same conference it seems.
Seattle and the MW don’t go along. Seattle is a small catholic school, while the MW has big public schools that in semi-big markets and don’t care much about academics.
Seattle has several things going for them. Besides the chance to offset Hawaii being FB only, Seattle would represent a new market for the MWC, and thus expanding the footprint
They could adopt the division split for basketball and use the schedule format once used by the SEC and Big 12.
They would probably take the traditional rivals SHSU/SFA over SHSU/Lamar – SHSU and Lamar aren’t that far away, and while SFA is somewhat in the nomansland they are a better regional brand and are a few hours away from Dallas.
The Sun Belt would probably take Lamar because they were in the conference before. It helps to have history.
I meant to post this as a root comment if you know what I mean (not in reply to someone else):
The Sun Belt could still have a nine-game conference schedule under my proposed 12-team football alignment as follows:
Sam Houston State
The Sun Belt’s football schools would be organized into regional pairs, all of which would play each other on Thanksgiving:
East: Appalachian State-Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern-Georgia State, James Madison-Liberty
West: Central Arkansas-McNeese State, Lamar-Sam Houston State, South Alabama-Troy
For interdivision play, each Eastern pair would play 2 of the Western pairs every year, with one pair rotating off the schedule for 2-year stints, such that each East VS. West match-up occurs 4 times over a 6-year period.
And by Thanksgiving, I mean the whole Thanksgiving weekend
Wouldn’t it make more sense to take South Alabama or Troy instead of both ULM and ULL. Alabama and Louisiana are roughly the same size and Mobile (USA) is the biggest city by far. Troy has a much richer football history than any of the schools mentioned. I would pick USA and ULL with Troy coming in 3rd. Monroe has a population of 47K and very little football history.
Louisiana Tech wants in-state in-conference rivals, especially after Tulane moved to the American before they could develop a rivalry with them.
La Tech and Tulane were never in the conference together. Tech and Monroe are and hour apart and do not play. They would be ok with ULL but not ULM in the CUSA with them. They recurit the same players
Actually Tech and Tulane spent one year in C-USA together before Tulane moved on
Sure, going back to 10 teams would make better sense than having 11 teams and one non-regional teams playing (I’m giving NMSU the nod for the closeness to Texas State). It saves the east coast universities money from having to travel to the west coast. While this is all good and fun for the Sun Belt now, Benson will get tired of the lost revenue generated by a championship game and will eventually expand the conference to twelve teams. Being an Appalachian State student, the most recent expansion gives us another rival (Battle of Carolina), but further expansion may be tough. Does the conference go out and grab anybody (Eastern Kentucky was a runner-up in the latest)? What happens if the Sun Belt becomes a better brand than C-USA? Does Benson start cherry picking from them? What about teams within moving out? App State originally was fighting for a bid to C-USA. So many “what ifs” and “where next” to speculate.
I will admit, cutting Idaho is reasonable, but maybe keep NMSU and add an EKU to make it 12 teams and the conference championship plays out well.
In several posts above yours I mentioned that as part of the fallout of the ACC and Big 12 raiding the American the Sun Belt would lose its four westernmost full football-playing members – Ark State, Texas State, and both LA schools – to C-USA, while I am projecting EKU going to C-USA at this moment so that both them and WKU can have an in-state in-conference rival.
I am projecting that the CAA’s James Madison, the Big South’s Liberty, and four Southland schools – Central Arkansas, Lamar, McNeese State and Sam Houston State – along with the non-FB schools UNC-Asheville (Big South) and Florida Gulf Coast (A-Sun) will move to the Sun Belt in response to C-USA’s latest raid on the conference. Five Sun Belt schools – FAU, FIU, Middle Tenn, North Texas, and WKU have moved to C-USA since 2013, and if the American takes schools from C-USA again, no doubt C-USA looks again to the Sun Belt for replacements.
After all is said and done, the Sun Belt would have 8 schools in the Eastern Time Zone and 8 in the Central, which would form East and West Division for basketball. In addition to the new non-FB members, AR-Little Rock and TX-Arlington would also not compete in Sun Belt football, leaving the football circuit at 12 members.
Louisville will NOT leave the ACC. When Notre Dame joins in football, Connecticut would be team 16 for ACC.
NMSU to Mountain West makes sense. Take Idaho for the pair.
Louisville being in the ACC is why Cincinnati should be pursuing ACC membership. They would probably bring UConn with them, as ND will never join ACC football.
Actually, if the ACC were to invite Navy for football-only, Notre Dame could finally take the leap. Their annual game with Navy would be protected, they’d get BC, Syracuse, Pitt every year… and probably Georgia Tech, Florida State, and Miami if the divisions were redrawn in this manner: Coastal: ND, Navy, BC, Syr, Pitt, GT, FSU, Miami… Atlantic: Clemson, UNC, NCSU, Duke, Wake, VT, UVa, U of L.
It might 2022, but ND will have to give in to the inevitable. The ACC is working well in all other sports…it would benefit both in the long run.
I would prefer Cincy over UConn, but Cincinnati is Big 12 bound long before another ACC expansion.
Louisville has the feel of a program that’s been with us a long time. I wish it hadn’t of taken losing Maryland to bring them in the fold
At least NMSU has a chance to make it as an independent. They have games against UNM and UTEP that are annual rivalries, and certainly UMass and Army will play ’em home and home. Take the max 2 FCS games, and you’re halfway there. Idaho, if Idaho hangs in there… they can both always play an SEC team on the road many weeks.
Geez! Some of these theories are utterly ridiculous.
1. The ACC is done expanding. Notre Dame is not joining in all sports. Louisville is lucky to have gotten an ACC spot. They aren’t going anywhere.
2. The Big 12 may eventually take Cincinnati and BYU, but that’s it. Houston, SMU, Memphis, Temple, and UConn are staying put.
3. The Sun Belt may pick up two southeastern FCS schools (EKU, JMU are my guesses) to get to 12, but will stop there.
4. The AAC may have to replace Cincinnati eventually. If they do, UMass, Army (football only), Marshall, Old Dominion, and Southern Miss are the only serious candidates, and only one of them gets added. Ohio may be a very long shot contender.
5. NM State may have a slim chance at CUSA if the AAC has to raid a team, but I can’t imagine anyone besides UL-Lafayette, Ga. State, and Arkansas State would be on their radar.
6. Idaho will have no chance. They need to go back to FCS unless they are willing to accept long-term independent status.
It’s time for the WAC to reinstate Football by inviting New Mexico State, Idaho and UMASS , then invite FCS Schools for an 18-24 team Super Conference, and split them into West, Midwest, East and South Divisions of 6 Schools each, then have a 4-6 team Playoff. I am sure that the WAC can find 15-21 other FCS Schools that would gladly make the jump to FBS like North Dakota State, North Dakota, South Dakota State, Montana, Montana State, Portland State, Sacramento State, Eastern Washington, Illinois State, Northern Iowa, Indiana State, Missouri State, Youngstown State, Liberty University, James Madison, Richmond, Villanova, Jacksonville State, Sam Houston, Lamar, Stephen F. Austin, and the list would only grow for FCS Schools wanting to join the New WAC FBS, and TV Contracts, and Bowl tie-ins could be negotiated.
lol wut? You just want to make an FCS Super Conference and throw in the leftover FBS parts. Portland State and UMass in the same conference… yeah, no.
Really? An 18-24 super conference of FCS teams transitioning to FBS. Seriously! So what’s the payout per team? $50,000? $100,000? Don’t really don’t think that would ever happen!
Lost in all this is the players. If Idaho drops down to FCS only 63 players can have scholarships compared to 85 in FBS. Being let go from the Sun Belt was not Idaho’s decision, and seemingly staying in FBS–even as an independent–is still on the table for Idaho.
I hope Idaho can delay dropping down to FCS (if that’s what the school decides) until 2019 or when all the current players can get through school on scholarship. If not some of the players might get cut. If any of them can transfer to play football at another school it only means a player at that school will get cut to make room. Not a good process.
Thankfully the net number of football players nationwide that can get a scholarship nationwide won’t change. Idaho may drop down but Coastal Carolina moves up. The 22 scholarships Idaho can’t offer now can be offered by CCU.
Nonetheless this is probably a good move for the Sun Belt. As mentioned before Idaho is so far west that travel and time missed from class was burdensome on the other sports. Having Idaho in the conference probably cost the SBC more than it paid. Best to replace the Vandals with another school that is in your geographical footprint.
As for New Mexico State, I think there is some value to MWC if that conference were to bring the Aggies in. They’re far enough from the University of New Mexico and Albuquerque and close enough to El Paso to offer the MWC a new market. The question is whether the Lobos will try to block the Aggies from getting in and/or if they have enough support from the other schools to get in.
Though they have 10 members now the Sun Belt should continue to play eight conference games. In a conference like this one the teams probably make more money off money games at P5 schools than they do with home conference games. Playing only eight conference games frees them up to schedule more money games.
Overall, I can’t really say I blame anybody for this taking place though. Idaho and New Mexico State had to do something when the WAC dissolved. Meanwhile, the Sun Belt wanted to make this work and figured adding these two schools plus a few more would equal to more money for everyone involved. In the end it just didn’t work out and the gain never caught up to the gain.
To maintain independent status in football a team must play at least 5 home games. Idaho can not get 5 teams each year to agree to play in the Kibbie Dome with its 16,000 capacity. Hence they have no chance to remain an FBS independent.
Idaho could either build a new facility or move home games to WSU
a few things 1 the big 12 will never invite byu 2 being in jonesboro ark a-st can never leave the beit c-usa wants markets like geogia st La- Tech Western Ky and Mid tenn will block a-st ULM ULL from c-usa by 2025 the big 12 will be no more so i think in 2025 we will have 4 16 team football conf SEC B10 P12 ACC
how will we get to 16 in each of the major conf by 2025 ACC – i think nd will go in a conf at this time in football what happens to the big 12 Tex goes indy or big ten Okle and Okle st are a package deal for the pac 12 because with Kasas B-ball program k-st will go with kansas iowa st goes to the big 10 the american invites TCU Baylor and texas tech goes to the mth west ACC gets ND west va ciny hou bten gets tex and iowa st p12 gets oklahoma kansas k-st okie- st SEC gets NC State Va tech
I can see UT-Chattanooga leave the SoCon to join the Sun Belt.
UTC isn’t going FBS, they might go to the OVC though, to play in-state rivals
Way to go Kentucky! 3 home game cupcakes for an SEC nobody. Where are you Wildcat defenders?
Paying attention to basketball and not knowing they have a football team
No need to defend anything to a couple of loser, GFY
typical SEC.. in fear of competition. And the few instances a decent team shows up on a non-conf schedule, it’s at a “neutral” filed in the south. Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, etc
better than Eastern Ky but not by much
When will the UK PUSSYcats schedule Marshall, a G5 program just two hours from Lexington. Oh, I know, they might get beat. Should change the mascot to Chicken.
Why are you all so jealous of us? Lol! SMH…keep on trolling trolls. So funny
Alabama has Charleston Southern and ULM and its considered the #1 SOS. so Louisville, and having the #25 SOS in the country. I think thats enough. 25/128. upper quarter. So shut up.
Alabama plays: #20 Wisconsin, #17 Ole Miss, @ #10 Georgia, #18 Arkansas, @#16 Texas A&M, #22 Tennessee, #14 LSU, @#25 Miss St & @#6 Auburn.
That is why they are #1 SOS
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